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Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta

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Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta

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Post by kstrauser »

TremendousJudge wrote: post #105
kstrauser wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

looks around and waves hands at hundreds of thousands of Bay Area developers using Macs A Unix box with a nice UI? It's what I always wanted.

what I don't understand is how it's seen as acceptable to pay several thousand dollars for a machine that is sold as a "full experience" and then relying on the work of some people outside Apple that build homebrew and make it actually usable for development

People outside Dell built Windows. People outside Microsoft built the components of WSL. There's not a laptop in existence where one party built everything I'd need on it.

Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta

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Post by nathansobo »

ibejoeb wrote: post #45

Hell of a license: ---- INVESTIGATIONS, MONITORING, & NO OBLIGATION TO PRE-SCREEN CONTENT. Zed may, but is not obligated to, investigate, monitor, pre-screen, remove, refuse, or review the Service and/or Content, including Your Content and User Content, at any time. By entering into the Agreement, you hereby provide your irrevocable consent to such monitoring. You acknowledge and agree that you have no expectation of…

Hey, we're actively working to get in touch with a new lawyer to help us do a better job with this. I agree this isn't cool. I was rushed to get the launch out and didn't review the terms carefully enough. We will try to do better going forward. Our goal is to be respectful.

Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta

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Post by quarkw »

maxbrunsfeld wrote: post #16
activitypea wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No clue, I'm not affiliated with the devs in any way, I've just been very excited about it since one of the devs tweeted this: https://twitter.com/nathansobo/status/1498053586059620354 However, my first impressions of the keyboard navigation aren't great :(

What forms of keyboard navigation are you missing? We try to make sure everything is controllable from the keyboard.

Having some kind of leader keybinding would be great along with something like "which-key" for discoverability.

Checking out Spacemacs or Doom Emacs would give a clear idea of what I'm talking about.

If unfamiliar with emacs, VSpaceCode is a VSCode extension that ports Spacemacs-style keybindings pretty successfully, although the UI is suboptimal due to limitations of VSCode extensions.

Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta

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Post by jeremy_wiebe »

SpartanJ wrote: post #118
starkparker wrote: post #46

Closed-source editor built on a closed-source framework, telemetry built-in with no documented opt-out, hardcoded language servers, macOS only.

I'm working on an code editor with a similar philosophy (or at least I'm trying to achieve similar goals) but it's completely open-source (MIT licence). It's called ecode and can be found here: https://github.com/SpartanJ/ecode . It's also GPU accelerated, native code (no electron), has LSP integration and has many similar feature set. I'm looking for collaborators, if someone is interested please message me.

I looked at the repo and I can’t see any code. Is it in a different repo?

Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta

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Post by foolswisdom »

maxbrunsfeld wrote: post #72
ibejoeb wrote: post #45

Hell of a license: ---- INVESTIGATIONS, MONITORING, & NO OBLIGATION TO PRE-SCREEN CONTENT. Zed may, but is not obligated to, investigate, monitor, pre-screen, remove, refuse, or review the Service and/or Content, including Your Content and User Content, at any time. By entering into the Agreement, you hereby provide your irrevocable consent to such monitoring. You acknowledge and agree that you have no expectation of…

Thanks for pointing this out. Our whole terms-of-service is just standard boilerplate provided by our lawyers, but this part doesn't really apply to Zed. Obviously, there's no "content moderation" for project code that you collaborate on with Zed. We'll look into adjusting this to make it clearer that we don't do anything remotely concerning or invasive.

I can sorta believe that this was provided by lawyers without proper review, because writing this

> In the event that Zed pre-screens, refuses or removes any Content, you acknowledge that Zed will do so for Zed’s benefit, not yours.

is such an outrageous thing to write in the terms. On the other hand, claiming this is standard boilerplate strains credulity.

In any case, seeing this definitely colors how I see the rest of it.

Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta

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Post by jeremy_wiebe »

jeremy_wiebe wrote: post #155
SpartanJ wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm working on an code editor with a similar philosophy (or at least I'm trying to achieve similar goals) but it's completely open-source (MIT licence). It's called ecode and can be found here: https://github.com/SpartanJ/ecode . It's also GPU accelerated, native code (no electron), has LSP integration and has many similar feature set. I'm looking for collaborators, if someone is interested please message me.

I looked at the repo and I can’t see any code. Is it in a different repo?

Should have read further.

https://github.com/SpartanJ/ecode#source-code

https://github.com/SpartanJ/eepp/tree/develop/src/tools/ecod...

Re: Zed, the new code editor from Atom developers, has entered open beta

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Post by threatofrain »

prmoustache wrote: post #94
maxbrunsfeld wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The moment that you open Zed for the first time, you see a welcome screen that offers telemetry opt-out. The editor will be open-source and cross-platform, but it takes time to build things.

It should be opt-in

I completely agree and think it should be legally enforced but I also recognize that consensus has not yet developed in business culture, so I recognize I'm not going to have as much persuasive firepower as I'd like to make this argument. VSC is also opt-out and doesn't ask you.
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