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Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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And still not even A4

A/B/C paper series formats are based on metrics system and therefore, morally evil and unfit for the US consumption.

The US military is no stranger to the metric system, it's the standard.

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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A shame they didn’t opt for Public Sans, which was designed by the US Web Design System team. Though I see it only supports Latin characters at the moment, which might make it unsuitable for use at State. https://public-sans.digital.gov

I wonder "how many fonts we need". Is there a good, open resource for FOSS fonts, to compare them, and preferably a curation? I agree with others on here, though. Everything our government does, and produces, from an IT/development perspective which is not a "competitive advantage" (security, etc.) should be open. Why there would be an official directive to choose a non-open font when so many open fonts exist, is bey…

political signal by MSFT corporate to the US citizen, we will license you the type you read each day; pay here.

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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I never understand why someone in charge of making one specific simple choice, ends up making a remarkable dumb decision. Why, unless you are doing things unethically, would you go for a licensed font? It's not like this is a hard problem to solve more than adequately with open and more accessible alternatives.

The federal government is Microsoft Word all the way down. The relevant people have no idea what you’re talking about.

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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"I don't put things where I think they should go, I put them where I am likely to look for them" - Adam Savage

I really like this quote, but I can't find any reference to Adam Savage saying it. Closest I can find is his concept of "First Order Retrievability" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyCrHLYiGNo

One of his "Ask Adam" videos, I believe the same one he discussed Pica pens.

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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A/B/C paper series formats are based on metrics system and therefore, morally evil and unfit for the US consumption.

* Imperial units are defined in terms of metric units. * The cost of changing over is astronomical * Domains where the metric system is actually better use the metric system * Domains where it does not don't need it. * You have a supercomputer on your wrist. Dividing by a number other than 10 is not such a challenge anymore. * A4 paper is in no way superior to letter. It's just a choice. Replacing American exceptiona…

I am not an American, I was raised using the metric system for almost everything, but I hate using it for manual work like carpentry and plumbing. For a long time in my country, we used the imperial system for stuff like that, and the change to metric is incredibly annoying and non-intuitive in those domains.

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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I find any document written in serif feels more professional and well considered. As a result, when I look at older documents, it seems that the past had higher standards for content and presentation. Seeing a Calibri memo from the state department would make me think that it’s illegitimate.

I am absolutely convinced that the past had higher standards for content and presentation. The choice of font faces probably is just a consequence.

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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Serif'd fonts are easier to read.

Per TFA they picked a sans font (Calibri) under the mistaken impression that sans serif fonts are easier to read.

Maybe sans fonts are easier to read through hipster glasses.

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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Deep within your subconscious memories is a series of you unloading A4 from your printer, thinking about where to best store it, finding 20 reams already there, stacking this one on top, and then promptly forgetting the location.

"I don't put things where I think they should go, I put them where I am likely to look for them" - Adam Savage

Here's a Q&A where he says something like this: https://youtu.be/og0yYQAN1JE?t=233

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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I feel like they don’t have enough work to do if they’re worried about fonts. Maybe time to trim some fat?

For sure, why improve anything.

Maybe because nobody checked to see if it wasn't a downgrade instead.

Re: Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

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A/B/C paper series formats are based on metrics system and therefore, morally evil and unfit for the US consumption.

> metric [...] morally evil I've never heard an American complain that Coca Cola is sold by the liter. There's no moral component to Americans not wanting to switch to metric. It's simply a matter of the switch and retooling being more hassle than continuing to use American customary units. Frankly, the difference seems to bother Europeans a lot more than it bothers Americans.

Same observation here. We (Americans) just don’t care. Not like we’re sitting here huffing and puffing about metric.

Nobody. Cares.

At the end of the day, the one you’re used to is the one that makes more sense. There is no system that is objectively better “in all situations.”

Most people that strongly argue that one is better than the other are usually just saying “it’s better cuz I’m used to it”

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