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Facts, also don’t forget about Ukraine too. Or even American lives for that matter, eg astounding number of people dying of fentanyl, or the fact there are more teenagers homeless in LA than homeless people with mental health problems.
Notoriously no one is talking about, demanding action, or actually acting any of these things
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Ah, so you are projecting your own society's ideals onto another which wasn't always how it was. Which society told you the way to do it was to create laws to deal with it? Was it your own? Have you perhaps considered that just because US society might be a few decades ahead in certain types of rights, that maybe that's just a fluke of nature and doesn't give the US any moral standing? Edit: can't respond any more, s…
> Ah, so you are projecting your own society's ideals onto another which wasn't always how it was. To the extent that those ideals are “migrant worker’s lives should not be treated as expendable”, hell yes I am. (FWIW I’m Canadian, not American) Your attempt at positioning that as some sort of cultural chauvinism is weird.
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Sometimes I worry the world will end because people are too quick to jump to conclusions just because it happens to match their worldviews. Don't get me wrong, I worry about what you said too, but around me in life, jumping to conclusions and sticking with it regardless is much more common than what you mentioned.
This comment, in addition to needlessly escalating, is equivalent to "I am bothered by people being bothered by the things they believe". Worldviews affect what upsets people. Like, duh?
Anybody that jumps to a conclusion that there is some conspiracy behind it, is being silly. Otherwise, we can just believe anything about anything, right?
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the conspiracy here, is the way this system of employees and companies pretends that it's very different from masters and slaves. the real difference is that a slave has one master, but an employee is some sort of partial-slave that is shared amongst many masters in a way that the employee gets to chose who gets to tell them what to do and that's it.
You really need to learn more about slavery. We all hate our jobs from time to time, but keep it in perspective.
I'm trying to understand what "public" means..
an employee is a public slave. also, don't undermine the meaning of my qualification of "partial"... I'm not saying they're the same thing
but I'm also observing the necessity of there being a lot of people without enough choice/privilege/safety-nets to say "NO, I won't take that job ever"
furthermore I'm thinking (trying to) in terms applicable to entire countries. slavery is often portrayed a an individual phenomenon. but what about a scenario when one country employs another entire country? without much choice about the terms? like, for example during a colonial period?
It seems pretty obvious that a totalitarian petrostate, that bribed its way into using a global sports event as a massive PR push, doesn't care. What matters is whether we care that they don't care. What matters is whether we care that our sports institutions are massively corrupt.
Everyone knows FIFA is a deeply corrupt organization. There is also not much anyone can do about it. But I don't think "we need to care more" is a good mental model for the issue
https://www.espn.com/soccer/fifa-world-cup/story/4501424/uef...
In any case, professional sports is intrinsically corrupt, and the billions in broadcasting rights money sloshing around the trough are a magnet for scum.
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It just happened, probably too early to come to any conclusions. I think the concern is that Wahl seems to have been a generally healthy person (although recently been feeling sick, according to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33931689 ), wrote a critical article about a famously hard government, received a bunch of death threats and the day after drops dead. Again, too early to reach any conclusions, I guess we…
He was receiving death threats for the rainbow shirts he was wearing too. "Eric Wahl said his brother had received death threats while in Qatar because of the rainbow shirt and his continued reporting on FIFA and the Qatari government." His brother is on Twitter saying that he did not die of natural causes. https://twitter.com/ziplamak/status/1601373769326792705
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Everyone knows FIFA is a deeply corrupt organization. There is also not much anyone can do about it. But I don't think "we need to care more" is a good mental model for the issue
Surely there are, say, British, European or American FIFA representatives who can be tried for taking bribes, or for being part of an organisation which takes bribes? Why are those people immune? They're complicit.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/nine-fifa-officials-and-five-...
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Think as you like but behave like others is the western approach. They would bemoan the loss and be very emotional about it while internally thinking the same thing this guy said. I prefer my leaders to be less fluff.
Maybe you think that, but I’m sure many people have basic human empathy at the end of the day. Yes statistically many people die on the job in many countries but every one is still a tragedy. You can think that and be running a large organization. I feel like many conservative thinkers believe that it’s all “fake” and just PR. But human empathy is a real thing.
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> Ah, so you are projecting your own society's ideals onto another which wasn't always how it was. To the extent that those ideals are “migrant worker’s lives should not be treated as expendable”, hell yes I am. (FWIW I’m Canadian, not American) Your attempt at positioning that as some sort of cultural chauvinism is weird.
Canada had its own history of migrant workers. More than 4000 Chinese migrants died building our railroads: https://torontorailwaymuseum.com/?p=1152