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CEO pay skyrocketed 1,460% since 1978: CEOs paid 399 times as much vs. worker

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Re: CEO pay skyrocketed 1,460% since 1978: CEOs paid 399 times as much vs. worker

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post #127

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"Capital allocators are always paid top dollar." That seems to be unrelated to the subject matter. I could just as easily say, "senior employees are always paid top dollar over junior employees". Presumably, "capital allocators" were paid top dollar in 1978. Somehow though, their wages have grown 1460% relative to the people who actually put the capital to work.

In 1978 GE was the largest by revenue. They made 54B in revenues ~13B in a quarter. In 2022 Apple is the largest. They made 124B in a quarter. Revenues are up 1000% The larger the capital you manage, the the higher the compensation. Btw, I am not justifying, just trying to understand what could lead to this.

Keep in mind that CEO pay has grown 37% more than the stock market (which would be the companies they are managing).

In 1978 GE had 330,000 employees. In 2022 Apple has 164,000 employees, about half of which are in the US.

So if you're making 10x the revenue with half the employees, it stands to reason that the value of employees has increased on average by 20x... and if anything the CEO's value has increased proportionately less. Imagine the incredibly trivial case of a CEO who had 10 people under them in 1978 for $10 million in revenue, and now has 5 people under them in 2022 with $100 million. Sure, you might pay that CEO maybe 5x... maybe even 10x what you used to pay them in 1978, but you'd think, if anything you'd pay the employees more than 10x what you used to pay them (and you'd still be net ahead), because each one is far more valuable to you now.

Modern employees are expected to be more productive, and often expected to have more sophisticated skills & education than we expected in 1978... but we pay them proportionately less than CEOs that are expected to manage smaller organizations.

There's this odd notion that attributes most of the increased productivity to management, rather than the people doing the work.

Re: CEO pay skyrocketed 1,460% since 1978: CEOs paid 399 times as much vs. worker

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post #72

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Most of the things that a company produces are created by the employees.

Why don't the employees just go and produce it on their own? That way they can capture 100% of the value they produce.

That would work better than if the CEO and the business owner tried the same.

Re: CEO pay skyrocketed 1,460% since 1978: CEOs paid 399 times as much vs. worker

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post #99

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I want to say: so what ? Getting paid 50 times your employees isn't enough ? You need to get paid 400 times their salary ? Why stop there ? 800 times ? The invisible hand doesn't exist and without regulations these things will get worse and worse

It's the STOCK PRICE. Say you get 100 shares of a company at a value of $100/share every year you are CEO, that's a pay of $10k/yr. Now say the value goes up to $1000 because you helped get your company there. And now all the people come out of the woodwork to tell you how greedy you are.

But again that's just what we collectively agreed on, not a God given law that we have to keep forever, we could come up with other mechanisms

If you can't see the difference between early capitalism and the monster it became that's another problem

Re: CEO pay skyrocketed 1,460% since 1978: CEOs paid 399 times as much vs. worker

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> And if there are people getting rich by tricking consumers or lobbying the government for anti-competitive regulations or tax loopholes, then let's stop them. Not because it's causing economic inequality, but because it's stealing. If we did that Bezos&co wouldn't have nearly as much money. A big part of the wealth of these individual is tax evasion or """optimisation""", taxes which are supposed to be used to fix…

You also don't attack poverty by randomly trying and failing to lash out at everyone who isn't in poverty How about we talk about actually attacking poverty? Coincidentally, the way that Gates, Buffett, Bezos, etc seem to be doing with all their money and time

> Coincidentally, the way that Gates, Buffett, Bezos, etc seem to be doing with all their money and time

What ?

They do that once they absolutely milked the world for decades because they're approaching death and start to get worried about their karma. Too little too late, it's like burning a random house and going in to save the cat while the family is burning, you don't get to be applauded for that

If they truly attacked poverty you wouldn't have a single homeless person in the west

Re: CEO pay skyrocketed 1,460% since 1978: CEOs paid 399 times as much vs. worker

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post #134

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> It's just a matter of time before people revolt Trump was the first warning sign IMO, and some are still not taking it seriously, blaming the voters themselves for being so dissatisfied with the status quo that they would take a chance on someone like that.

>blaming the voters themselves for being so dissatisfied with the status quo that they would take a chance on someone like that. It is the fault of the voters. Especially after it was obvious Trump was just a grifter who couldn't care less about the common man, and they voted for him again because they were scared of the immigrants and black activists with whom they should have had class solidarity. And it will still…

> It is the fault of the voters. Especially after it was obvious Trump was just a grifter who couldn't care less about the common man

You mean like most other politicians?

> and they voted for him again because they were scared of the immigrants and black activists with whom they should have had class solidarity

This racist trope is propaganda. Also, "class solidarity" is not a thing anymore thanks to the dominant parties who have been squashing it for over 50 years.

> Arguably Occupy was the first warning sign in recent memory.

Occupy didn't accomplish anything, it was a weak protest. Electing Trump definitely accomplished something and proved the discontent runs deep and can affect the cushy established class. Then came the messaging about baskets of deplorables and ultra-maga threats to democracy.

Re: CEO pay skyrocketed 1,460% since 1978: CEOs paid 399 times as much vs. worker

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You also don't attack poverty by randomly trying and failing to lash out at everyone who isn't in poverty How about we talk about actually attacking poverty? Coincidentally, the way that Gates, Buffett, Bezos, etc seem to be doing with all their money and time

> Coincidentally, the way that Gates, Buffett, Bezos, etc seem to be doing with all their money and time What ? They do that once they absolutely milked the world for decades because they're approaching death and start to get worried about their karma. Too little too late, it's like burning a random house and going in to save the cat while the family is burning, you don't get to be applauded for that If they truly at…

If we want to stop them from milking us we should stop with intellectual property and patents so that more companies can compete with their big companies
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