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Re: PayPal restores to its TOS $2,500 charge for any post they don't like

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Post by CrazyPyroLinux »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #141
CrazyPyroLinux wrote: post #128

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The biggest conspiracy theory is that those who disagree with you are conspiracy theorists...

That's a nice trite little saying, but it doesn't fit reality. I mean it's not like an angry group of right-wing people reply to every single tweet by democratic politicians, right? Why do you think HN is above that kind of thing? And a story that claims that PayPal is out to hamper free speech is exactly the kind of lightning rod that would attract such people.

Trite? You're the one who brought up BlueAnon. (And if you're going to virtue-signal "HN is above that kind of thing," I'll remind you that whining about downvotes is against the guidelines)

There seems to me to be plenty of room for interpretation (and potential for foul play) in the TOS. Maybe that's an exaggeration, but to call it a "fake news clickbait" is disingenuous.

Re: PayPal restores to its TOS $2,500 charge for any post they don't like

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Post by shocked1129 »

Test0129 wrote: post #44
torstenvl wrote: post #11

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Admittedly I haven't done a close read, but on first skimming I didn't see anything that limits this to commercial transactions between arms-length buyers and sellers. Where are you getting that from? To my view, there's a world of difference between "You can't use PayPal as a payment processor for gun sales" and "You can't use PayPal to pay pals back for covering your range fees last Saturday." Yet the AUP seems bro…

> To my view, there's a world of difference between "You can't use PayPal as a payment processor for gun sales" and "You can't use PayPal to pay pals back for covering your range fees last Saturday." Firearms are for absolutely no reason what-so-ever taboo on most payment processors. The AUP is broad enough to cover both because the pearl clutchers don't see a difference. The best part of this is "certain firearm par…

I think it's simpler than that. Some executive didn't want to have to hire a PR crisis management firm if some kid shot up his school with a gun bought through their payment system. Same with a lot of other stuff. It's all about money.

Re: PayPal restores to its TOS $2,500 charge for any post they don't like

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Post by raincom »

AlexandrB wrote: post #85
tenpies wrote: post #56

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The beauty of this (as far as US weaponization of law is concerned) is that yes, you are correct. But because there is functionally no customer service at Paypal, the Legal Department is customer service. So to even talk to Paypal about these things you would have to spend thousands of dollars and several months. And when you make a mistake in a way Paypal doesn't like, you'll be obliterated. Those of us who grew or…

> Those of us who grew or lived in the third world will recognize the current status of US law under Biden quite clearly: ... What does Biden have to do with it? Are you implying this wasn't also true under Trump? He pardoned a bunch of his friends on the way out.

Prosecutorial discretion is how one does political favors.

Re: PayPal restores to its TOS $2,500 charge for any post they don't like

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Post by phendrenad2 »

CrazyPyroLinux wrote: post #151
phendrenad2 wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a nice trite little saying, but it doesn't fit reality. I mean it's not like an angry group of right-wing people reply to every single tweet by democratic politicians, right? Why do you think HN is above that kind of thing? And a story that claims that PayPal is out to hamper free speech is exactly the kind of lightning rod that would attract such people.

Trite? You're the one who brought up BlueAnon. (And if you're going to virtue-signal "HN is above that kind of thing," I'll remind you that whining about downvotes is against the guidelines) There seems to me to be plenty of room for interpretation (and potential for foul play) in the TOS. Maybe that's an exaggeration, but to call it a "fake news clickbait" is disingenuous.

If there's room for interpretation, and you say "it absolutely means this very clickbaity interpretation" then yes, you are doing a clickbait, my friend.

Re: PayPal restores to its TOS $2,500 charge for any post they don't like

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Post by fragmede »

kyleblarson wrote: post #106
labster wrote: post #36

Wow, great news! Now everyone who says anything racist will have to put $2500 into the swear jar. I expect racism will disappear overnight, and we will have a plushappy society with institutionalized love for all. Thanks PayPal!

anything some random employee at PayPal in SF DECIDES is racist

PayPal has two HQs, one of which is in San Jose California, the other of which is in La Vista, NE. Neither of these are San Francisco.

The San Francisco office was closed. https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/27/paypal-shuttering-its-san-...

Re: PayPal restores to its TOS $2,500 charge for any post they don't like

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Post by m-p-3 »

origin_path wrote: post #147
m-p-3 wrote: post #143

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That's called https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action

No, that's what you call it. The rest of us call it racism, sexism and discrimination against innocent people who did nothing wrong.

That's giving an opportunity to a class of people who are less privileged overall, too bad you feel that way.

Re: PayPal restores to its TOS $2,500 charge for any post they don't like

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Post by thirdsun »

ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #139
willsmith72 wrote: post #59

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I guess you're not in Europe. Paypal is huge here, especially in Germany. Has been useful for years here for free instant transactions without currency conversion fees (at least between some euro currencies)

SEPA payments and TransferWise are a complete replacement.

Paypal got popular because it allowed people to pay for things instantly online. SEPA Überweisung didn't really solve that problem and credit cards used to be rather uncommon - even today many germans don't have one.

P2P payments between friends came later and wer just another thing Paypal could handle but at that point it was already very popular.

Re: PayPal restores to its TOS $2,500 charge for any post they don't like

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

thirdsun wrote: post #157
ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SEPA payments and TransferWise are a complete replacement.

Paypal got popular because it allowed people to pay for things instantly online. SEPA Überweisung didn't really solve that problem and credit cards used to be rather uncommon - even today many germans don't have one. P2P payments between friends came later and wer just another thing Paypal could handle but at that point it was already very popular.

That doesn't negate or contradict my point.

>even today many germans don't have one

Thankfully debit cards are a thing!

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