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Why read Dostoevsky? A programmer's perspective

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Re: Why read Dostoevsky? A programmer's perspective

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I read Crime and Punishment when I was in school. I was sixteen years old. It's hard to appreciate classic works at that age. But we were forced to read these books on a compulsory basis. I didn't find anything revolutionary in this book. Ten years later I experienced a similar enthusiasm as the author of the post while reading the works of Abraham Maslow. I recommend everyone to read at least the last book written b…

> I read Crime and Punishment when I was in school. I was sixteen years old. It's hard to appreciate classic works at that age. But we were forced to read these books on a compulsory basis. I didn't find anything revolutionary in this book.

I read it at 18. Borrowed it from a friend and found it so boring I could read only a few pages at a time. Then I stopped reading. Some months later, I realized I needed to return his book. So I forced myself to read the rest of the book (over half) all in one night. I didn't care if my brain tuned out as I read the pages. I just wanted to be done with it.

I was glad to be rid of something so boring.

Not long after, I had a dream. I was hanging out with friends outside at about 1am. Then one of my friends says "Hey, I just heard on the radio they found another body - someone was murdered tonight!"

I froze. I was that murderer. I'd killed a bunch of people lately. How should I respond to this? Should I ignore it? Make a joke about it? Talk about it seriously? How do I say it so none of them suspect me?

We eventually walk back to where we had parked our motorbikes. Mine was not there. Had the police found it while searching for me? I woke up.

Years later, I talked to a few people who had read the book. Some hated it. Some loved it. But they all said they really felt like Raskalnikov - either while reading it or in some dream they later had. I give credit to the book being so powerful.

Years after that I read The Brothers Karamazov. A much bigger book, and even more boring. Had no effect on me. I've forgotten all of it.

Re: Why read Dostoevsky? A programmer's perspective

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> [Taleb] showed, through his life's work, that one can make money by betting against people that believe too much in mathematics and their applicability to the real world. Does anyone know any good examples of this?

I believe the author is referring to the money Taleb made during the 2008 financial crash, rather literally betting against people using mathematics to model complex systems (which collapsed and failed rather badly, much as Taleb predicts). Wikipedia has some links to sources in the summary section: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nassim_Nicholas_Taleb

There's this big trope about how "models don't work", because black swans, etc. (Let's not get into the fact that this claim is itself a model, and his own investment strategy is, of course, based on his model.)

But the question is, is this really true? Why isn't Taleb the richest person? (I remember reading somewhere that his strategy of betting against the mainstream underperformed, but he might have made a biiig windfall due to COVID & the war? But are those enough to offset the previous underperformances?)

Re: Why read Dostoevsky? A programmer's perspective

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> > From Communist Russia's collapse due to Marxism... The delivery of this nonchalant line in particular made me cringe hard.

I think it reveals a deep naïveté about the author that they can simply boil things down to “Marxism bad”. However, they do seem to be learning that there is value in not being a STEMLord.

Proper STEMlord doctrine holds that Marxism is not even wrong. Also, obviously, the views/ideas of Marx turned out to be correct (well supported by empiricism) are just part of economics and sociology.

Re: Why read Dostoevsky? A programmer's perspective

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One thing that's weird about Dostoevsky is that there are so many characters and their relationships with each other are very complex. "The Idiot" , ironically, was one of the more complicated books, IMHO. It made me wonder if the average Russian back in the 19th century had the ability to hold this chess like complexity in their heads or Dostoevsky just made everyone in the book unrealistically intelligent.

Re: Why read Dostoevsky? A programmer's perspective

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> Some deep truths about human nature require instead the reflection provoked by the classics. Yes, read Dostoevsky and the classics. There is so much to learn and to enjoy. But remember that great authors didn't discover deep truths of human nature from books alone, but from their attention to the experiences of real life. “When we read, another person thinks for us: we merely repeat his mental process. In learning…

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Re: Why read Dostoevsky? A programmer's perspective

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I met a young and apparently highly intelligent AI researcher the other week who confessed to me that he thought fiction (books but also movies etc) was a waste of his time: there was nothing to be gained there. Being a lover of fiction myself, I huffed and puffed and he challenged me to name him a book that would change his mind. Usually when people ask me where to start in literature, I advise them to start at the…

That's a common complaint about literature. I remmeber one person who wouldn't read fiction because they said "it was just all lies". Literature isn't just a recitation of facts, it reflects the organizing principle of our values. It sparks creativity. If the classics feel to archaic or they are too inaccessible, you also might try some contemporary authors. Michael Crichton is very accessible. I think his works can…

> I remmeber one person who wouldn't read fiction because they said "it was just all lies".

"Artists use lies to tell the truth. Yes, I created a lie. But because you believed it, you found something true about yourself."

- Alan Moore, V for Vendetta

Re: Why read Dostoevsky? A programmer's perspective

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Yeah. If Russian classics contained some great life lessons, how do you explain Russia? Every kid reads these classics in school, and it's a shit of a country.

do they really read it, or it's "in the curricula" but no one really gives a shit, there are a few standard questions-and-answers about them and that's it, no?

Well, they have to write essays based on these books to get passing grades. And I would guess wise teachers (who read all these books!) make sure that these essays cover main life lessons, right?

FWIW I grew up in Russian culture (Donetsk). Personally, I find XX and XXI century books WAY better, more relevant, interesting, useful, etc.

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Perhaps the Harry Potter books? Don’t throw Tolstoy at someone who havent read fiction before.

Would you really recommend YA to an adult?

> Would you really recommend YA to an adult?

I certainly would, but probably not Harry Potter (personal preference - I think "magic" has been done better, and I think "boarding school" has been done better).

So maybe "Earthsea" by Ursula LeGuin, for example.

Re: Why read Dostoevsky? A programmer's perspective

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Cynicism is both cheap and lazy. You two sound miserable

Worldviews don't win points for being expensive and industrious. But my point, had you seen past your mood affiliation, was that explaining the origin of a phenomenon doesn't tell you its value.

Good point.
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