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Re: Plasma Bigscreen

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Post by lrvick »

mike_d wrote: post #146
cycomanic wrote: post #100

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That's a pretty strong statement to make. It would highly depend on the contract between Vizio and their suppliers no? In particular if the lawsuit finds that anything from the supplier (like e.g. the display driver) is part of the GPL violation the contract likely contain clauses that would force the supplier to provide source code. Otherwise Vizio has grounds to sue their supplier. That's the beauty about going aft…

Suing a rebranding company is actually the dumbest move. If I buy Ford trucks wholesale and put my own logo on the grill and my own software on the entertainment system that uses GPL code in violation of the license, you can sue me until the cows come home but you are never going to get all the other software Ford has on that car. The idea that a court could compel Vizio to provide enough source code that you could r…

You could copy the blobs from your own rooted TV, as with Switch jailbreaks.

Re: Plasma Bigscreen

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Post by comboy »

lrvick wrote: post #150
comboy wrote: post #144

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You have HDMI port, there are RPis and others, I don't think TVs are running image recognition on HDMI input (yet).

They do, which is why you should never connect them to the internet.

Seriously? Well not connecting them to the internet works less and less, Amazon is rolling out their 900Mhz mesh with echo devices and there's LTE-M, NB-IoT and such.

The idea of not letting a device connect to the Internet is slowly becoming a thing of the past unless you live in a faraday cage (which is becoming more and more tempting). Oh, correction, thanks to mesh networks like that of Alexa living in a Faraday cage is not actually enough if at least one device is connected. Yay.

Re: Plasma Bigscreen

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Post by bzzzt »

treve wrote: post #124
sergers wrote: post #113

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I still have a 50" 720p Toshiba plasma, from 2006. Won't die... Been wanting to upgrade to a newer larger tv for years, but this thing keeps running along without issue...

Depending on how much it's on in a day, and the price of energy the cost of replacing it with an LCD might pay for itself.

Also depends on the TV you upgrade to: replacing a 50" plasma with an 84" LCD will do nothing to decrease your energy usage.

While plasma uses a bit more energy than LCD it's not that big of a deal (especially if you've got one of the last gen plasma panels) if you don't use it as some sort of moving wallpaper but just turn it off when not in use.

Re: Plasma Bigscreen

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Post by boltzmann-brain »

dogcomplex wrote: post #137
pavlov wrote: post #130

If they expect ordinary people to use this, the Install page could use some love: https://plasma-bigscreen.org/get/ The very first heading is "Neon based reference rootfs". It gives the impression that you must know exactly what these words mean and what you're doing, or there's no hope of ever using this thing. (The classic 1990s style Linux onboarding experience, in other words.)

I'm a programmer with a postgrad education and 10 years in the industry and I don't know what those words mean.

I'm a programmer since >30 years ago, have studied mathematics, can speak >5 languages, have programmed in more dead technologies than an average programmer knows current ones, and I don't know what those words mean.

Re: Plasma Bigscreen

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Post by ze0ng »

Misleading to state that this turns your TV or set-up box into a fully hackable device, while the software just runs on a RaspberryPI

Re: Plasma Bigscreen

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Post by saaaaaam »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #142
Szpadel wrote: post #132

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this is about justification. The current thing works fine but I would like the new expensive thing. I cannot justify expense of replacing working thing, but if it would die, then it's justified expense. it isn't about that it's more economical purchase when it dies, but I even saw people breaking stuff just so they "had to" buy new thing that they want.

Perhaps you’ve noticed this already but having bought my last TV in 2008 I had no idea how cheap they’ve gotten! Checking Amazon right now I see a 50” 4k Samsung for $450.

Expense doesn’t always mean purely financial. There is an environmental cost to buying something new as well, and a social cost in supporting the manufacture of electronics that may have less than perfect supply chain ethical standards.

I’m not saying this to be snarky or judgemental - your comment genuinely made me think about the issue and this was my response.

Re: Plasma Bigscreen

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Post by ognarb »

theodric wrote: post #145
sangnoir wrote: post #127

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Plasma (display) TVs are mostly dead - or at least no longer mainstream. On topic: I'd love to have my TV run an open source OS that can run all the streaming apps to avoid OEMs snooping on what I'm watching

I'm pretty sure you'll only ever be able to have either an open source TV or all the streaming apps. No reason for Amazon, Netflix, YouTube, or the others to support this platform.

The biggest hurdle is the DRM. Plasma Bigscreen ship with it's own browser but you still need the proprietary blob for the DRM running on an ARM device instead of the usual one for intel/amd. Making things worse, even on intel/amd the video quality is often limited to 1080p on Linux.

Re: Plasma Bigscreen

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Post by npteljes »

ze0ng wrote: post #155

Misleading to state that this turns your TV or set-up box into a fully hackable device, while the software just runs on a RaspberryPI

I agree. I thought this was something that you can load onto your smart TV.

Re: Plasma Bigscreen

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Post by mrpopo »

marktolson wrote: post #104
Lammy wrote: post #58

I realize "Plasma" is the name of the KDE presentation layer across all platforms, but it's mildly awkward to see in this context considering plasma TVs have only been a dead technology for six years or so: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_display

I'm still rocking my 12 year old plasma TV, the thing won't die!

Maybe give it up, the energy savings associated with replacing it with a LCD/LED TV will quickly add up, environmentally and economically. Depends on how much TV you're watching though.

Re: Plasma Bigscreen

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Post by mrpopo »

bzzzt wrote: post #153
treve wrote: post #124

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Depending on how much it's on in a day, and the price of energy the cost of replacing it with an LCD might pay for itself.

Also depends on the TV you upgrade to: replacing a 50" plasma with an 84" LCD will do nothing to decrease your energy usage. While plasma uses a bit more energy than LCD it's not that big of a deal (especially if you've got one of the last gen plasma panels) if you don't use it as some sort of moving wallpaper but just turn it off when not in use.

Probably still would, if you interpolate this graph: https://www.rtings.com/images/power-consumption.png

Still, wouldn't recommend buying a huge TV. Jevons paradox and all.

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