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Gravity Payments CEO Dan Price resigns

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Re: Gravity Payments CEO Dan Price resigns

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And again a good example of American Puritanism where someone pass from the status of Hero to Paria as soon as someone discover he has flaws. Everybody is flawed, damned everybody, including yourself. And the most extraordinary people are, Often the less acceptable in term of social norms they are too. - The Most brillant CEOs are often terrible family Dad and with psychological/narcissist problems.... Still they are…

pretty weird to call rape a “flaw”

Pretty weird to call forcibly kissing someone “rape”. Pretty sure it’s something but it’s not rape.

Re: Gravity Payments CEO Dan Price resigns

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And again a good example of American Puritanism where someone pass from the status of Hero to Paria as soon as someone discover he has flaws. Everybody is flawed, damned everybody, including yourself. And the most extraordinary people are, Often the less acceptable in term of social norms they are too. - The Most brillant CEOs are often terrible family Dad and with psychological/narcissist problems.... Still they are…

> That apply to Dan Price too, whatever he did. > Maybe it is time to grow up America and accept the world as it is. What does that mean? I think I understand your point - that people like to create hero-narratives that are mostly not true, and that at high levels of achievement some very successful people carry the seeds of their own destruction. Fair enough. But the Puritan America that you want to grow up is a str…

> Dan Price is a effectively a nobody

Dan Price is not a nobody.

He is a public figure, frequently in TV and media presented regularly as "The alternative CEO model that arrive to give to his workers excellent working conditions while having a successful and growing business".

And yet, I can bet with you that whatever the judgement of the court will be, the American press will now (opportunistically) vomit on him for the rest of his days.

Re: Gravity Payments CEO Dan Price resigns

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pretty weird to call rape a “flaw”

Pretty weird to call forcibly kissing someone “rape”. Pretty sure it’s something but it’s not rape.

While I agree that forcibly kissing someone isn’t rape, in the NYT article posted somewhere in this chain he’s accused of penetration without consent.

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That's a legal principle which exists because of the incredibly high bar we want our governments to cross before they deprive people of their liberties. Individual citizens can believe whatever they want to believe.

Im pretty sure it was implemented because of the amount of mob justice that was going on during the period of the salem witch trials.

pretty sure it was implemented a millennium or two before that

Re: Gravity Payments CEO Dan Price resigns

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty weird to call forcibly kissing someone “rape”. Pretty sure it’s something but it’s not rape.

While I agree that forcibly kissing someone isn’t rape, in the NYT article posted somewhere in this chain he’s accused of penetration without consent.

Accused, not convicted.

Should accusations be counted as flaws?

Re: Gravity Payments CEO Dan Price resigns

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree that forcibly kissing someone isn’t rape, in the NYT article posted somewhere in this chain he’s accused of penetration without consent.

Accused, not convicted. Should accusations be counted as flaws?

No they shouldn’t, nor do I think it should be legal to drag someone’s name through the mud before conviction.

Regardless, the “flaws” this person was referring to were the accusations, and the accusations were of rape not forcible kissing.

Re: Gravity Payments CEO Dan Price resigns

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This really is a good reason to keep personal and professional lives separate. I'd like to see more people having one name at work, and another for their personal life, and keeping each compartmentalized. It's legal to do in England for example. You can have as many names as you like, including surnames. To use multiple names for the purposes of furthering fraud or evading the police is illegal though.

I do this. But what I lack is a tool that lets me choose the caller ID for each contact. I’m too lazy to get two phones.

If you get two phones your partner will think you're cheating and the police will think you're a drug dealer.

Re: Gravity Payments CEO Dan Price resigns

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I understand that our current society expects me to believe by default his wife's accusations of sexual assault, but are we also supposed to believe that he waterboarded her, as she alleged in a TEDx talk?

(I actually think he is likely an abuser, etc., and it seems like the 70k thing was in response to a lawsuit, but c'mon I really doubt he waterboarded anyone.)

Re: Gravity Payments CEO Dan Price resigns

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> a gear guy or a predatory scumbag You can be a terrible person and have great ideas/inventions. Steve jobs treated his family like shit, Nazis made many scientific discoveries, etc.

I think you can assassinate a wonderful idea by having the _wrong_ person present it. People rarely judge a thing on its inherent qualities.

Source matters. Always, for anything.

There is essentially no such thing as "inherent qualities" distinct from their source. Or rather, you can never actually know all the inherent qualities.

Knowledge of the sources history, character, motivations, and intentions is itself one of those inherent qualities.

If someone presents you with an idea, you often don't know if it's a good idea or just looks like a good idea because it was crafted to look good, in service of some unknown ultimate goal that you would not voluntarily choose to support if you knew everything.

Every scam in history is based on convincing a victim to harm themselves. Apparently, inherent qualities can be unknown, unknowable, or hidden. It's too late to contest that. It's already been happening for all of human history, and on every possible scale.

Judging something because the source has a known evil character is not wrong or counterproductive or unfair the way it is judging something because the source has pleasing charisma or lacks it.

If a Nazi says something, it's automatically not a wonderful idea in the first place, even if someone else later says the exact same thing and we all agree it's a wonderful idea then.

It's not wrong or illogical. It's just a slight of hand used by the dishonest (or the merely misguided) to try to make it seem wrong or hypocritical by pointing out only the surface similarity between that and prejudice based on nothing that stands up to scrutiny, when those are actually two very different things.

It's like a less obvious version of crying about being ddnied the freedom to deny others freedom.

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