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Re: Gravity Payments CEO Dan Price resigns

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I hate these stories, because we have no idea which side is true. The reckless drive is the only charge than can be proven, or at least have vitnesses. Criminal charges really should be kept out of the media until there’s enough evidence to jail the suspect. This is to protect both sides.

> Criminal charges really should be kept out of the media until there’s enough evidence to jail the suspect

That's why some countries in the EU, and the UK, have laws protecting the identity of people until after sentencing. E.g. in Bulgaria only their initials can be used, and no photos are allowed. In the UK, they just vaguely describe them (footballer from Manchester in his 20s accused of sexual assault).

Re: Gravity Payments CEO Dan Price resigns

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If one wanted to wage a dirt campaign against him the accusations would look exactly like they do now. He is obviously a controversial figure. Might have rustled the wrong feathers. Many accusation are also very nebulous, hard to verify and avoiding anything concrete that could get the person making them get sued for defamation. Of course, he also could just be an asshole and abuser. We simply can't know.

Just curious if you have an opinion regarding Deshaun Watson or his accusers. For context, he is a high-profile quarterback who earlier today was suspended by the NFL, based on a series of mostly anonymous accusations of sexual misconduct.

I don't. Never heard of that person before, sorry.

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And again a good example of American Puritanism where someone pass from the status of Hero to Paria as soon as someone discover he has flaws. Everybody is flawed, damned everybody, including yourself. And the most extraordinary people are, Often the less acceptable in term of social norms they are too. - The Most brillant CEOs are often terrible family Dad and with psychological/narcissist problems.... Still they are…

> That apply to Dan Price too, whatever he did.

> Maybe it is time to grow up America and accept the world as it is.

What does that mean?

I think I understand your point - that people like to create hero-narratives that are mostly not true, and that at high levels of achievement some very successful people carry the seeds of their own destruction.

Fair enough. But the Puritan America that you want to grow up is a straw man. And Dan Price is a effectively a nobody, who either assaulted someone or didn’t and as he’s been formally accused, it’s for the courts to adjudicate.

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#144

"Gravity Payments, which helps businesses process mobile and point-of-sale payments, cleared $6.5 billion in transactions for more than 12,000 businesses in 2014." What exactly is the business model here? What do they do?

I don't know about Gravity Payments but one of the huge money making machine in credit industry is collections. If you can figure out tricks to have people pay off their debt without getting dragged into expensive court, you get a huge portion of the proceeds. Many people would just pay things off right away because they did not notice library fines and things like that. As collection agency, you get huge cut for bas…

Ok cool but yeah that has nothing at all to do with what they do. They’re like Stripe. They help you charge cards.

Re: Gravity Payments CEO Dan Price resigns

#145
The really unfortunate part of this is the number of people who will use this as evidence that what he did with Gravity Payments either simply doesn't work, or is an actively bad idea.

Because, as several others here have pointed out, either someone is a Perfect Paragon of Purity, or they are Evil To Be Shunned And Cast Out...and everything associated with them must follow in either case.

Re: Gravity Payments CEO Dan Price resigns

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Gosh you make it sound like a schoolyard flirtation. "Stole a kiss". She was trapped in his car and he grabbed her by the throat. He grabbed another woman by the throat and didn't let go. He raped a woman. There is a pattern of behaviour here that is profoundly disturbing. Victims are often frightened enough to not come forward. The kind of trial by social media in which you're now engaged is all part of that. Why al…

> The kind of trial by social media in which you're now engaged is all part of that. Why allege anything when you'll be accused of making it up, being a slut, having your life history raked through by trolls online...

The accused can also have their lives raked through and ruined simply for being accused. There is something to gain (e.g. financial and moral support, feeling as though one were on the "right" side of history, etc.) from being a professional victim, and doubly so on social media. Whether that applies here remains to be seen.

> "Hunted by his money" ffs. "Without more data". Have some empathy.

Empathy: The ability to identify with or understand another's situation or feelings

Waiting for data and considering the potential motivations involved are empathetic actions. It may be simplistic to make such claims, but there is no lack of empathy to consider that these situations can occur and have occurred to other people and that they might be applicable here. At the end of the day, no one here was present when the alleged events occurred. We're all relying on news reports and hearsay.

> Also note that he is NOT "being sued for sweet money" but criminally charged by a prosecutor. They don't do that unless they have strong evidence and there's no compensation to victims in a criminal trial.

Any evidence obtained in a criminal trial can be used in a civil trial with a lower burden of proof, even if one is acquitted in the former. Additionally, prosecutors have issued charges on exaggerated, or even fraudulent evidence before. The Innocence Project is a testament the consequences of zealousness and lack of impartiality that occurs in courts across the country.

In what is likely a to be a he said/she said scenario, one should wait to examine how damning the evidence and testimony actually is so as not to come to a premature conclusion.

Re: Gravity Payments CEO Dan Price resigns

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Gosh you make it sound like a schoolyard flirtation. "Stole a kiss". She was trapped in his car and he grabbed her by the throat. He grabbed another woman by the throat and didn't let go. He raped a woman. There is a pattern of behaviour here that is profoundly disturbing. Victims are often frightened enough to not come forward. The kind of trial by social media in which you're now engaged is all part of that. Why al…

Was she? She said he grabbed her by the throat. What’s that mean? He actually did? Did it leave a mark? I mean, if it was strong enough to choke her?

Did his hand brush her throat?

What was her immediate description of what happened to the very first person she told?

These other acts you describe, were they accusations or facts?

You are literally engaging in trial by social media asserting claims as fact when they are accusations.

“They don’t do that unless they have strong evidence” - spoken like someone who has only ever read about the criminal justice system. The news has been filled with stories of unjust actions the entire length of Covid.

You don’t understand how things work. If you can get a criminal charge to stick, then you can threaten to settle out of court for money (with the woman) to avoid her bringing a civil trial.

Is she lying? I have no idea, but your argument is as bad as “that black man wouldn’t be charged by the police for raping that white woman if he didn’t do it. The white woman wouldn’t lie, it must be so scary for her to come forward”. Literally this except replace black with “rich”, the new boogie-man.

Dude should have an internal recorder in his car, like an Uber driver. It would either save him from false accusations or himself.

Re: Gravity Payments CEO Dan Price resigns

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post #138

And again a good example of American Puritanism where someone pass from the status of Hero to Paria as soon as someone discover he has flaws. Everybody is flawed, damned everybody, including yourself. And the most extraordinary people are, Often the less acceptable in term of social norms they are too. - The Most brillant CEOs are often terrible family Dad and with psychological/narcissist problems.... Still they are…

pretty weird to call rape a “flaw”

Re: Gravity Payments CEO Dan Price resigns

#149

I hate these stories, because we have no idea which side is true. The reckless drive is the only charge than can be proven, or at least have vitnesses. Criminal charges really should be kept out of the media until there’s enough evidence to jail the suspect. This is to protect both sides.

Well it would have been in the media due to him resigning anyway, regardless of the truth or otherwise of the recent allegations.

While I don't know about the recent stuff there seems clear evidence he was sketchy financially re the original setting salaries to 70k thing. He claimed he did that and then his brother and fellow shareholder sued him for doing it but really the brother launched the suit before that happened objecting to him paying himself a $1m+ salary and hence grabbing the profits and making all salaries $70k was probably a reaction to the suit. Source https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2015-gravity-ceo-dan-pric...

Re: Gravity Payments CEO Dan Price resigns

#150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gosh you make it sound like a schoolyard flirtation. "Stole a kiss". She was trapped in his car and he grabbed her by the throat. He grabbed another woman by the throat and didn't let go. He raped a woman. There is a pattern of behaviour here that is profoundly disturbing. Victims are often frightened enough to not come forward. The kind of trial by social media in which you're now engaged is all part of that. Why al…

Was she? She said he grabbed her by the throat. What’s that mean? He actually did? Did it leave a mark? I mean, if it was strong enough to choke her? Did his hand brush her throat? What was her immediate description of what happened to the very first person she told? These other acts you describe, were they accusations or facts? You are literally engaging in trial by social media asserting claims as fact when they ar…

It wasn’t just one woman who came forward… Obviously, I have no idea what actually happened, but at this point it doesn’t look great.

I hope the truth is uncovered in court and we find justice.

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