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Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by FartyMcFarter »

tut-urut-utut wrote: post #113
bob1029 wrote: post #102

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I hope figures like this make developers think twice about about throwing yet another layer of abstraction on to the pile. How many VMs does an average business actually require, assuming the software wasn't written like total ass?

It can't happen unless software buyers were ready to pay for more development time. That abstraction layer and total-ass quality is frequently the only way to meet the deadline and budget. If people were ready to pay some upfront costs, it would be possible to lower long-term costs, but that's CAPEX vs OPEX decision that is not in the hands of the software developers.

If one is aware of the basics of performance optimization, you can often find low hanging fruit even in Python.

Basic profiling can often find bottlenecks that are easy to fix, usually just a result of a simple oversight.

No one is asking for every piece of software to be rewritten in Assembly whilst taking advantage of every possible algorithmic improvement.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by markonen »

RamRodification wrote: post #59

RBC calculates that running a 40MW data center on diesel would require 12,000 liters of diesel fuel per hour Holy crap

One of the Finnish news stories stated that as of now, the municipality is receiving only one fifth of the normal amount of waste heat they use for district heating. That sounds like they have shut a lot of things down to cope with the loss of power.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by martin_a »

wongarsu wrote: post #144
thinkindie wrote: post #91

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also - any French or British imperialist intentions toward any territory in Europe are gone since Napoleon (and UK had none toward Europe). At the same time, Soviet Union, which just took over the zarist empire, only ended 30 years ago. You can totally see from Russian propaganda that they are still looking at re-instating Soviet Union/zar empire. I see this as pure soviet/zar/russian/nationalist revenge.

Napoleon died in 1821. For French ambitions on German territory alone there was the Rhine crisis of 1840 [1], the Franco-Prussian War of 1870 [2], followed by French Revanchism [3] over the loss of Alsace-Lorraine, which they regained in WWI with the Treaty of Versailles. In 1923 there was the Occupation of the Ruhr [4]. Then in the aftermath of WWII France tried to take the Saar Protectorate, but with the EU slowly…

> but France trying to extend its borders Eastwards was happening right until the EU took shape.

Same could be said for Germany and West expansions. Thankfully a thing of the past right now.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by heavenlyblue »

can16358p wrote: post #75

> at a current price of €2.175 per 1 liter What? €2175 per liter of diesel? Am I missing something? /edit: nvm I misinterpreted decimal point as a thousands seperator.

Out of all places, Hacker News misunderstanding the meaning on `.` in a number? :) Every single programming language uses a dot as a floating-point separator.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by leadingthenet »

xiphias2 wrote: post #95
riffraff wrote: post #32

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it's worth noting that the whole EU starting from the earlier european communities was built on such an idea that tighter and tighter integration would make war unlikely (and in some cases, unthinkable). While this didn't work out for the Russian relationship, it wasn't a totally stupid plan.

While this is true for the communities (people) themselves, a lot of us in Hungary who love EU learned languages and moved west, and practically lost our right to vote because of how the voting system is designed, even though we are still Hungarians officially. This allowed Orban to get authoritian power that is now undefeatable.

> and practically lost our right to vote because of how the voting system is designed

Yet, I voted (abroad) in the last elections just fine? You do have to register early nowadays, whereas it used to be trivial to cast a vote previously, but I'm genuinely unsure what you base a claim such as "we practically lost our right to vote" on. In addition, several democratic countries disallow voting for expatriates (e.g. Ireland de jure / Israel de facto).

> This allowed Orban to get authoritian power that is now undefeatable.

At no point during the last few decades have elections been swayed by votes cast outside of Hungary.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by aqme28 »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #58
Ndymium wrote: post #24

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Yep, their electricity sales contract ~~expired~~ (EDIT: ended for unspecified reasons) and they don't have a new contract. Their electricity transfer contract is still valid because their Finnish company is not a part of sanctions. (Electricity sales and transfer is separate in Finland.) When they get a new electricity sales contract, then the transfer company will reconnect power. I think the only matter here relat…

I don't think a contract expiring would lead to power being cut off this suddenly; there will have been extensive negotiations beforehand and a grace period.

Grace periods tend to be shorter for companies with a high likelihood of defaulting due to say the threat of international sanctions.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by nogenhat »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #131
watwut wrote: post #112

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The large ones were not independent in anything but the name long before being taken over by state. All the Oligarchs or larger businesses had to cooperate. Ukrainian Maidan was 2014. And it happened only after years of Russia trying to buy and influence Ukrainian politics. It was Orange revolution that happened in 2004. Putin became acting president in 1999 - that gives us like 5 years before 2004. Also, afaik, jour…

I'm glad that you know some history, but I'm not sure what are you arguing with. Economic growth of 2000s did happen and it was a pretty liberal time back then. >The large ones were not independent in anything but the name long before being taken over by state. Let's take a few concrete examples of really big companies: VKontakte, Wildberries and Magnit. How exactly Putin and his gang exercised the control over them…

lets see: 1. VK (Vkontakte) - Miralashvili, part of REK, friend of Sobchak and Putin :) 2. Wildberries - under patronage of Rosnef from the start. 3. Magnit - Galitskiy told from the beginning that he had to have a relationship with the government.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

watwut wrote: post #101
pmontra wrote: post #97

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Just think about all those EU politicians that are in business with Russian companies or are rumored to be paid by Russia. I never understood why the USA didn't find ways to finance all European political parties after 1989 instead of letting them go around looking for money (politics has costs, no shame) with some of them ending up in Moscow or Beijing.

I think that difference is that USA was not actually that deeply interested in secretly running whole of Europe. Meanwhile, Russia was deeply interested in doing so last two decades.

America's influence in Europe is much stronger than Russia's. Besides NATO, the US has set up all kinds of NGOs that are very influential, such as the Atlantic Council and the German Marshall Fund. When that soft power doesn't work, the US is not afraid to use sanctions to coerce European countries: see US sanctions against Germany over Nordstream II, or unilateral US sanctions that prevent European companies from doing business in Iran.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by FartyMcFarter »

jsiaajdsdaa wrote: post #117
bob1029 wrote: post #102

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I hope figures like this make developers think twice about about throwing yet another layer of abstraction on to the pile. How many VMs does an average business actually require, assuming the software wasn't written like total ass?

How much time is spent in milliseconds crunching data aka doing work, vs sitting around waiting to work?

CPUs use much less power while idle - if there are too many idle CPUs, that's either because the datacenter is not efficiently managed (e.g. machines are always on regardless of load), or because the standby capacity is needed at short notice.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by jollybean »

skissane wrote: post #99
jollybean wrote: post #79

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I don't think those are it. 1) Massive Natural Resources (carbon fuels) which mean they don't have to do anything productive and can make huge money. 2) Totalitarian with Kleptocracy. The population accepts it over anything else, Putin keeps all competitors at bay. This means a single cabal can make big decisions. 3) Cultural Chauvinism. 30% are 'totally cool' with wiping out their neighbours in the vein of some cook…

> 3) Cultural Chauvinism A very common thing for humans to have. US, UK, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Japan, China – to list just a few countries which have a lengthy history of it, there are many more–and some will question whether some of the countries I have listed have really moved beyond it. (I'll even say my own country, Australia, has a decent amount of it – even if the form i…

The things that I have seen over the last two months (a lot of social media coming out of Russia, street interviews, phone calls, public statements) make me believe that Russia is completely different than elsewhere in the West.

The number of people who'd be easily willing to just murder a bunch of people for an invented reason is much greater than elsewhere.

Americans can get 'nationalist' but they are absolutely not like that, beyond a smaller group, Americans are by default positive and gregarious.

I believe Russia's dark past, their permanent oppression, total lack of hope for something to change makes them amenable to this. Basically, institutionalized cynicism.

I believe that even Putin himself, former counter espionage is the most cynical it gets, like Machiavellian without recognizing that 'hope and prosperity' are actually legitimate things. He sees everything as a cynical game of power. The Americans 'can't possibly be acting in good faith' because 'there is no such thing as good faith' - but even worse - not even knowing what 'good faith' is because he's never been exposed to it. 'People who smile are fools, unserious, they can't be competent!' etc. not able to just recognize a basic common joy.

The contrast between attitudes and motivations by Ukrainians these days is just unbelievable, which is interesting because despite historical similarities, it's almost as if 'modern Ukrainian identity' is formed out of the hope that arises when coming out of that rubble. Even regular Ukrainians, farmers seem to be on a different wavelength.

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