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Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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Post by rmk »

ngcc_hk wrote: post #98
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ukraine is not a member of NATO, so options are somewhat limited Ukraine not being in NATO means we aren’t obligated to intervene. We regularly intervene in various things without a treaty requiring it.

It is still an independent state and a member for a long term of un. Can one just take one like japan say if it is not part of nato.

NATO is just one of the several defense alliances the US has. The US is basically the guarantor of security for a number of East Asian countries, Middle Eastern countries, you name it... We are not called the World's Policeman for nothing.

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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Post by TheBozzCL »

moffkalast wrote: post #89
BitwiseFool wrote: post #16

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It is actually deviously brilliant. No one wants to shell the area because it would release all the dust and radionuclides that were buried during the cleanup. It is a perfect staging area because the downside to attacking it is so high. No allied forces in Europe want to deal with the fallout - literally. This is so genius I'm genuinely in awe. This is right out of Sun Tzu: “The art of war teaches us to rely not on…

Well he invented fighting, and he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honour. Then he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on Earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one...

And from that day forward, any time a bunch of animals are together in one place it's called a 'zoo'.

Unless it's a farm, of course.

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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Post by agumonkey »

kasey_junk wrote: post #130
WillPostForFood wrote: post #117

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It is also not straightforward to put a NATO ally right on Russia's vulnerable flank In taking Ukraine, Putin just put Nato on Russia’s border.

NATO has been on Russias border for going on 20 years. The Baltic states joined in 2004.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO for more details

did this affect Russia negatively ? from my seat it was no biggie, and nothing came out of the baltic states joining.. no threats, accident, economic problems in the news.. but maybe i'm just blind

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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Post by TheBozzCL »

kingcharles wrote: post #115
moffkalast wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well he invented fighting, and he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honour. Then he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on Earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one...

I'm so confused by this comment... o_O

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h42d0WHRSck

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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Post by nuccy »

rmk wrote: post #70
hwers wrote: post #21

I can't really tell what's going on here. Is the EU and America supposed to be helping out but it's all promises without real counter attacks? Is this just the calm before the storm as russia places their troops in the right spots while everyone looks on? Anyone who's smarter than me who could enlighten me?

Ukraine is not a member of NATO, so options are somewhat limited. Russia intends to use Chernobyl as a deterrent to NATO, according to the report (how, I do not know). It is also not straightforward to put a NATO ally right on Russia's vulnerable flank (it's endless plains and flat ground from Ukraine to Moscow, which has always been a source of strategic vulnerability for Moscow), so admitting Ukraine to NATO was ne…

Ukraine signed a Budapest memorandum [1] where US, France, UK and Russia guaranteed its territory integrity in exhange for the 3rd in the world arsenal of nuclear weapons.

1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Secur...

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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Post by Arubis »

rmk wrote: post #112
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Ukraine is not a member of NATO, so options are somewhat limited Ukraine not being in NATO means we aren’t obligated to intervene. We regularly intervene in various things without a treaty requiring it.

Absolutely. But if a NATO member is attacked, then member states are obligated to come to the member's aid. It's essentially tantamount to saying, if you are at war with a NATO member, you are at war with the whole bloc, which includes USA, UK, France (somewhat in/out member over the decades), Germany, Turkey, and so on. It's a formidable group that acts as a deterrent to any would-be aggressor. The US is not obligat…

> if a NATO member is attacked, then member states are obligated to come to the member's aid. It's essentially tantamount to saying, if you are at war with a NATO member, you are at war with the whole bloc,

This is the deterrent—and it also rhymes with the Triple Entente v. Triple Alliance tensions that set off the Great War.

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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Post by anigbrowl »

hwers wrote: post #21

I can't really tell what's going on here. Is the EU and America supposed to be helping out but it's all promises without real counter attacks? Is this just the calm before the storm as russia places their troops in the right spots while everyone looks on? Anyone who's smarter than me who could enlighten me?

Basically if EU/US forces engage Russians directly it's ww3. I think that's going to happen anyway, but mismatches in tempo are common and rational in the early stages of a conflict.

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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Post by dostick »

lend000 wrote: post #91

It's hard to view the events unfolding with an objective gaze. Virtually all of western journalism condemns Russia's attacks unilaterally, which seems reasonable, considering people are dying to grow a dictator's empire. But then I read about the history of the conflict and see that Ukraine has had separatist states and civil war for years. It isn't like Ukraine is a stable, peaceful, and unwitting nation, like, say,…

Dont project “separatist” feudal states of 100s year ago on to modern Ukraine. Modern Ukraine is nothing like that.

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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Post by aaronchall »

sAbakumoff wrote: post #73
hwers wrote: post #21

I can't really tell what's going on here. Is the EU and America supposed to be helping out but it's all promises without real counter attacks? Is this just the calm before the storm as russia places their troops in the right spots while everyone looks on? Anyone who's smarter than me who could enlighten me?

Putin warned the West that he wouldn't hesitate to conduct a nuclear strike if they try to meddle.

Mutually assured destruction means that his entire ass is destroyed - there's a lot more of NATO than there is of him.
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