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Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

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post #13

Is there any strategic significance to this? I thought it was closed?

Theoretically the whole area could be turned into a dirty bomb with a few strategic strikes and it would be carried down a river destroying vast areas of Ukraine for millennia.

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Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

#112
post #70

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Ukraine is not a member of NATO, so options are somewhat limited. Russia intends to use Chernobyl as a deterrent to NATO, according to the report (how, I do not know). It is also not straightforward to put a NATO ally right on Russia's vulnerable flank (it's endless plains and flat ground from Ukraine to Moscow, which has always been a source of strategic vulnerability for Moscow), so admitting Ukraine to NATO was ne…

> Ukraine is not a member of NATO, so options are somewhat limited Ukraine not being in NATO means we aren’t obligated to intervene. We regularly intervene in various things without a treaty requiring it.

Absolutely. But if a NATO member is attacked, then member states are obligated to come to the member's aid. It's essentially tantamount to saying, if you are at war with a NATO member, you are at war with the whole bloc, which includes USA, UK, France (somewhat in/out member over the decades), Germany, Turkey, and so on. It's a formidable group that acts as a deterrent to any would-be aggressor.

The US is not obligated to intervene in Ukraine, plain and simple. The US has a strategic partnership with Ukraine, I think, but it's not an ally. https://www.defense.gov/News/Feature-Stories/Story/Article/1... https://www.state.gov/u-s-ukraine-charter-on-strategic-partn...

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

#113
post #21

I can't really tell what's going on here. Is the EU and America supposed to be helping out but it's all promises without real counter attacks? Is this just the calm before the storm as russia places their troops in the right spots while everyone looks on? Anyone who's smarter than me who could enlighten me?

What do you want them to do exactly, send nukes?

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

#114
post #28
post #21

I can't really tell what's going on here. Is the EU and America supposed to be helping out but it's all promises without real counter attacks? Is this just the calm before the storm as russia places their troops in the right spots while everyone looks on? Anyone who's smarter than me who could enlighten me?

EU and US will use every diplomatic and financial weapon against Russia, but they've long since decided Ukraine and the Ukrainian people aren't worth actual war over. That call was made in 2014 and stopping Russia then would've been easier than it would be now.

Until the US puts sanctions on Russia's oil/gas and doesn't buy it, then no not every financial or diplomatic weapon is being used. Right now it seems the US is reluctant to do this: https://twitter.com/business/status/1496861082907906048

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

#115

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It is actually deviously brilliant. No one wants to shell the area because it would release all the dust and radionuclides that were buried during the cleanup. It is a perfect staging area because the downside to attacking it is so high. No allied forces in Europe want to deal with the fallout - literally. This is so genius I'm genuinely in awe. This is right out of Sun Tzu: “The art of war teaches us to rely not on…

Well he invented fighting, and he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honour. Then he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on Earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one...

I'm so confused by this comment... o_O

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

#116
post #78

I think this is mainly a psychological move. It has people talking about nuclear fallout, radiation etc. That's the point.

The most interesting part of Chernobyl to me isn't even the power plant, but what it was powering: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duga_radar

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

#117
post #70
post #21

I can't really tell what's going on here. Is the EU and America supposed to be helping out but it's all promises without real counter attacks? Is this just the calm before the storm as russia places their troops in the right spots while everyone looks on? Anyone who's smarter than me who could enlighten me?

Ukraine is not a member of NATO, so options are somewhat limited. Russia intends to use Chernobyl as a deterrent to NATO, according to the report (how, I do not know). It is also not straightforward to put a NATO ally right on Russia's vulnerable flank (it's endless plains and flat ground from Ukraine to Moscow, which has always been a source of strategic vulnerability for Moscow), so admitting Ukraine to NATO was ne…

It is also not straightforward to put a NATO ally right on Russia's vulnerable flank

In taking Ukraine, Putin just put Nato on Russia’s border.

Re: Chernobyl power plant captured by Russian forces

#118
post #79

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The US will defend NATO. They will nuke Russia's forces if they try to enter Poland. There is no doubt in my mind that is a red line.

There should always be plenty of doubt in your mind if you're saying that the US will use nukes in any situation short of someone else using them first.

The difference is that US is actually putting their troops and equipment in Poland though. I also think that attack on Poland would trigger full out response by US.
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