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The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by chrisallenlane »

_qbjt wrote: post #103

I'm typing this on my Framework now and I have to say it really is a special device. The prevailing culture of treating technology as disposable is something I personally don't vibe with - I always keep all of my tech and have collected machines over the years that most people would probably consider obsolete and uninteresting (there's an Amiga 1000 and iMac G3 currently in my field of view). Having a fully open mach…

> 2. The swappable port system is actually a lot more useful than I expected.

I'll second this. I was momentarily annoyed earlier in the week when I reorganized my desk, and found that the USB C port was on the "wrong" side for my cable-management. It took me a moment to realize that this was (for once) a solvable problem.

I've been running Linux on mine for about a month now and love it. It's easily my favorite laptop I've ever owned.

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Post by mdp2021 »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #63
mdp2021 wrote: post #19

There are no fanless CPUs among the options, and the consumptions are not explicit. The only battery mentioned is 55Wh. CPUs with the lowest consumption are (sorry for the obvious points) -- battery efficient, allow for more work per charge; -- silent, requiring no fan; -- often cheaper; -- still quite fast for normal use. So, I would not do without...

CPUs with higher power consumption are: - Irrelevant regarding battery life because I can get from my office to the conference room to my shop to my home and back to my office long before the battery dies even with hamstrung sleep states in modern processors; everywhere I work it's plugged in to a monitor, keyboard, mouse, and wall socket and I can't understand why you would use it otherwise. - Still quiet, because t…

...And I forgot about the side of ethics: electricity does not come from the energy harnessed by playing kittens and natural rubbing of sheeps in pastures. When computers can consume 0.3 or 3 instead of 30 or 300, it is just better - even a thousand times better.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by icu »

aunty_helen wrote: post #69

I can’t wait until they offer amd ryzen and come in a 15-16 inch form factor… no really I can’t wait, I ordered a framework yesterday tehehe If it’s good and I want to continue with it as my daily I’ll keep supporting them when the bigger ryznier laptops ship too.

I'm with you 100%... I'm holding out for a 15" Ryzen Framework laptop

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by officeplant »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #56
maltalex wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Machines ordered without Windows won't necessarily end up running Linux. Many of them could end up running pirated Windows.

Doubt it. First of all, computers with Windows aren't any more expensive than the same model with no OS or Linux. The Framework is niche hardware and honestly, it's doubtful non-developers would ever hear about it. Odds are it's something Linux users are seeking out.

Recently I could still save money on Lenovo, Dell, and even some HP business machines by ordering the No OS (freedos) or Linux options. I haven't checked in two years because I haven't needed a new machine. You just don't see it as often in the consumer space when microsoft is subsidizing the cost of windows to remain the ever present option.

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Post by y7 »

sneak wrote: post #44
y7 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it's related to the warranty? Apple sells AppleCare separately, but it's basically a warranty that's already guaranteed under EU consumer law. So in the EU they should factor this into the price.

I thought the EU mandate was 2 years, and AppleCare+ is 2 additional for a total (in the USA) of 3?

You're right, for most EU countries it's indeed 2 years.

> The Directive offers a 2-year legal guarantee of conformity, from the date that the item was delivered to the consumer. Most countries have implemented a 2-year guarantee of conformity but six countries apply a longer duration, with 4 of them taking into account the expected lifespan of the product.

https://www.evz.de/en/shopping-internet/guarantees-and-warra...

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by raihansaputra »

kall wrote: post #143
Hemospectrum wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a few years now I’ve wished for this kind of thing. After I sketched out a couple of concepts, the approach that looked most viable was to build a folding keyboard case where the lid opens up into a tablet stand. This hugely reduces the scope of the design problem, because PCB mounting holes for mechanical 60% keyboards are more or less standardized, and tablets are obviously commodities. Even so, this is easier…

I‘ve been thinking about it more from a "what I wish one of the 20 OEMs building crazy windows convertibles should build" than a " what can I DIY“ angle. Here‘s what I would want: Computer is maybe the size of new 16" MBP (large but reasonable). All the components in the base, the screen is thin and light. Instead of a flimsy ribbon cable the screen is connected with a removable flat cable that has an auto roll-up me…

On the same boat with macOs, my dream would be an 13" iPad running macOs, with MBA bottom shell as battery + keyboard + trackpad + speakers + etc. But currently an external monitor (or ipad + sidecar) is the best choice. I'm also trying to work on a stand design for the second monitor, but it's not easy.

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Post by jamesgeck0 »

ayushnix wrote: post #137
_qbjt wrote: post #103

I'm typing this on my Framework now and I have to say it really is a special device. The prevailing culture of treating technology as disposable is something I personally don't vibe with - I always keep all of my tech and have collected machines over the years that most people would probably consider obsolete and uninteresting (there's an Amiga 1000 and iMac G3 currently in my field of view). Having a fully open mach…

> 4. The 3:2 display is awesome for programming and content creation, and I don't know why more devices don't adopt it. The display on the FrameWork laptop needs to be scaled fractionally (about ~1.6x) which is a deal breaker for me. It would've been far better if it had resolution of 3000x2000 or 3200x1800, which would've given it a PPI of ~270 and integer scaling at 2x. Linux support for fractional scaling with mul…

Kinda hoping this motivates some movement towards stabilizing fractional scaling on Linux. It feels like this has worked in macOS and Windows for ages.

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Post by stratosgear »

skinkestek wrote: post #95
anotherhue wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many laptops come with two. One on either side of the space key.

My wife is out and kids upstairs so I'm reading HN alone in the living room and actually laughed out loud (after first thinking you had replied to the wrong comment).

Sorry, I still don't get the joke! Can you enlighten me, please?

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Post by Causality1 »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #59
Causality1 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just don't understand how everyone but me seems to just be okay with not knowing where left click stops and right click starts. They're just fine with having the pointer jiggle around whenever they click because their thumb doesn't stay perfectly centered while pressing down. How do people live like this?

Tap to click. No one actually physically clicks the corner of the touchpad.

So when you're mousing you hover your thumb over the pad? That's not tiring?

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Post by lupire »

kall wrote: post #7
jacknews wrote: post #3

I love the idea of modular, upgradable, and especially linux-friendly. But, because modular, I'd like a Framework Surface. Having the screen, keyboard, touchpad, computer, etc all integrated into a single device, seems like far too many factors and constraints to be able to reach perfection. Better to split at least the keyboard and pointing device, so you can pick and choose.

That would be very interesting. Maybe I could finally fulfill my dream of a portable system that can raise the display to eye level while keeping the keyboard at an ergonomic level. I‘m surprised no one else seems to want this. Imagine if you could clip your screen onto the headrest in front of you. Wouldn‘t that be a huge improvement?

Sounds like an iPad Pro.
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