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Decreasing service fees on subscriptions to 15%

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Re: Decreasing service fees on subscriptions to 15%

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Sorry, I'll let the general public decide which package manager is more ethical.

I'll take any package manager that supports emoji in package names.

I don't see any logical reason why you'd want to set an emoji as the canonical name of a package, but pretty much every package manager lets you use emojis in the description and .desktop file of the app.

Re: Decreasing service fees on subscriptions to 15%

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Given that so much of Apple's profits are from extortionate App Store fees... I can't help but think this is a classic "commodify your complement" strategy from Google. The lion's share of Google's revenue comes from search: if cutting subscription fees on the Play Store forces Apple to cut their take on the App Store by half, then Apple loses considerably more than Google — and Apple's loss is Google's gain. And if…

Search and Play Store come from the same company, but is play store revenue really a complement to search? How does removing play store fees improve Google's search moat?

Android was explicitly created to give Google leverage in the mobile space and drive more web usage + search: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/12/the-d...

Re: Decreasing service fees on subscriptions to 15%

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Given that so much of Apple's profits are from extortionate App Store fees... I can't help but think this is a classic "commodify your complement" strategy from Google. The lion's share of Google's revenue comes from search: if cutting subscription fees on the Play Store forces Apple to cut their take on the App Store by half, then Apple loses considerably more than Google — and Apple's loss is Google's gain. And if…

> if cutting subscription fees on the Play Store forces Apple to cut their take on the App Store by half Will it though? Or will the fee just become another "premium" differentiator between the two? The average Android phone sells for $250, but that hasn't discouraged Apple from pricing iPhones at 3-5x that. Other than strong government regulation (or the threat of it), I don't see Apple ever willingly reducing the A…

One of Apple's arguments in the Epic case was that 30% was standard; if it's not, it makes it look worse to courts and potential regulators.

Re: Decreasing service fees on subscriptions to 15%

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I don't see the point. Spotify's not willing to give up 10% of their Android revenue, they'll still use their own payment. Epic won't give up 15%. South Korea mandated that apps be allowed to have custom payment methods within apps. Why would any big company, whether Netflix, Epic or Spotify, still give Android 10%? It just seems that the "app store pay toll" is getting less and less justifiable; and it seems outrage…

Given that so much of Apple's profits are from extortionate App Store fees... I can't help but think this is a classic "commodify your complement" strategy from Google. The lion's share of Google's revenue comes from search: if cutting subscription fees on the Play Store forces Apple to cut their take on the App Store by half, then Apple loses considerably more than Google — and Apple's loss is Google's gain. And if…

> and Apple's loss is Google's gain.

Elaborate? Apple is not involved in the search market, and I don’t see how them not making as much money on their own platform benefits Google in any way.

Note: I still think the value that Google Play and App Store provide to developers is not worth the 30% (or 15% in this case), but just want to understand your reasoning.

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Can you sell it on myWidgetAppStore? Can someone install myWidgetAppStore that sells apps? (the way I can visit myWidget.com if I don't want to use Walmart.com, because Safari doesn't block other websites but iOS blocks other appstores)

If I own an XBox, can I buy a game digitally anywhere expect from XBox own App Store? If I own a TiVo, can I install an app from anywhere other than TiVo App Store? And if you did, there’s plenty of examples where it would void your warranty. Eg John Deere, Tesla, etc can only be serviced by the manufacturer otherwise it void warranty.

> And if you did, there’s plenty of examples where it would void your warranty. Eg John Deere, Tesla, etc can only be serviced by the manufacturer otherwise it void warranty.

Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act says otherwise.

Re: Decreasing service fees on subscriptions to 15%

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I think people are focused on the wrong issue. The fee % is not the problem. The problem is the restriction against using other types of payment processors. I am 100% OK with Google, Apple, or whoever charging whatever price they want to charge for using their app store services. They are, after all, providing all of the infrastucture for software delivery, updates, payments, etc. Not to mention giving you access to…

Control over payment flow is already in the right place imo, though I think the charges should be per transaction flat rates and not % based. App developers are bad actors and should not be trusted to control payment information, refund policies, or subscription management. They will abuse all of them, and they already abuse the limited tools they have for in app payments. Payment flow needs to be controlled by an en…

If only Apple would protect us from the thousands of bad actor developers selling physical goods that they give free reign to take our credit card information and abuse it however they please.

Re: Decreasing service fees on subscriptions to 15%

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You are only talking about Spotify, Epic, Netflix and the like, but this makes a huge difference for services that are a tier below that. For any smaller company having trouble with growth/user conversion, a 30% cut to Google for the lifetime of the account is still way too steep, but at 15% you start to consider it.

15% is highway robbery. The cost via your own account on Stripe is 5% on the high end.

But there is operational cost like bandwidth for Google, which is not there for Stripe.

Re: Decreasing service fees on subscriptions to 15%

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post #130

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You are only talking about Spotify, Epic, Netflix and the like, but this makes a huge difference for services that are a tier below that. For any smaller company having trouble with growth/user conversion, a 30% cut to Google for the lifetime of the account is still way too steep, but at 15% you start to consider it.

15% is highway robbery. The cost via your own account on Stripe is 5% on the high end.

This would carry more weight if Stripe were to maintain a mobile operating system, and an app store to help developers get customers.

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post #130

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You are only talking about Spotify, Epic, Netflix and the like, but this makes a huge difference for services that are a tier below that. For any smaller company having trouble with growth/user conversion, a 30% cut to Google for the lifetime of the account is still way too steep, but at 15% you start to consider it.

15% is highway robbery. The cost via your own account on Stripe is 5% on the high end.

How many potential customers do you lose with your home brew subscription workflow though? If I don’t think it will be easy to cancel, I probably won’t be signing up.

Re: Decreasing service fees on subscriptions to 15%

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I don't see the point. Spotify's not willing to give up 10% of their Android revenue, they'll still use their own payment. Epic won't give up 15%. South Korea mandated that apps be allowed to have custom payment methods within apps. Why would any big company, whether Netflix, Epic or Spotify, still give Android 10%? It just seems that the "app store pay toll" is getting less and less justifiable; and it seems outrage…

> It just seems that the "app store pay toll" is getting less and less justifiable

Monopolists rent seeking is never justifiable. Hopefully these things will be banned worldwide.

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