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Decreasing service fees on subscriptions to 15%

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Re: Decreasing service fees on subscriptions to 15%

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You can sell it in other stores as well, can't you?

Yep, I can sell it on myWidget.com or at another store. So how is this different than App Store policies?

Can you sell it on myWidgetAppStore? Can someone install myWidgetAppStore that sells apps? (the way I can visit myWidget.com if I don't want to use Walmart.com, because Safari doesn't block other websites but iOS blocks other appstores)

Re: Decreasing service fees on subscriptions to 15%

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You can sell it in other stores as well, can't you?

Yep, I can sell it on myWidget.com or at another store. So how is this different than App Store policies?

On Apple app store you can't sell on other stores to the same customers. If you extend your abstraction to say that Android and Apple are two neighborhoods, it's like to say that Apple app store have a monopoly to sell in Apple neighborhood and for you to sell to people that lives in Apple neighborhood you have to pay apple 30% and use their payment system.

But on Android neighbourhood you can sell in other stores, or even create your own store, if you don't like to use android's app store or pay them 30% or use their payment system.

Some people living in Apple neighborhood says that they prefere the Apple app store monopoly because they can be sure that Apple store is safe to shop and there is only good products.

Re: Decreasing service fees on subscriptions to 15%

#123

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Yep, I can sell it on myWidget.com or at another store. So how is this different than App Store policies?

Can you sell it on myWidgetAppStore? Can someone install myWidgetAppStore that sells apps? (the way I can visit myWidget.com if I don't want to use Walmart.com, because Safari doesn't block other websites but iOS blocks other appstores)

If I own an XBox, can I buy a game digitally anywhere expect from XBox own App Store?

If I own a TiVo, can I install an app from anywhere other than TiVo App Store?

And if you did, there’s plenty of examples where it would void your warranty. Eg John Deere, Tesla, etc can only be serviced by the manufacturer otherwise it void warranty.

Re: Decreasing service fees on subscriptions to 15%

#124

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Yep, I can sell it on myWidget.com or at another store. So how is this different than App Store policies?

On Apple app store you can't sell on other stores to the same customers. If you extend your abstraction to say that Android and Apple are two neighborhoods, it's like to say that Apple app store have a monopoly to sell in Apple neighborhood and for you to sell to people that lives in Apple neighborhood you have to pay apple 30% and use their payment system. But on Android neighbourhood you can sell in other stores, o…

You’re forgetting consumer choice.

The consumer choosed to buy a product (iOS device) that only allows you to install for 1 App Store.

Re: Decreasing service fees on subscriptions to 15%

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Is this allowed under iOS?

Yes. Apps that are basically a webview over a site are pretty common.

It may be common but it's not technically allowed. Apple forbids apps that are mere duplicates of a website. As with most things App Store, the rules are enforced inconsistently.

Re: Decreasing service fees on subscriptions to 15%

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You can sell it in other stores as well, can't you?

Yep, I can sell it on myWidget.com or at another store. So how is this different than App Store policies?

Because you are not forced to sell exclusively at walmart. You can sell your product at any store and people can get to it. Because of the walled-garden nature of the iPhone and iPad, the only way for people to get apps and make purchases for those apps is via the App Store. So, in your comparison, you would only be able to sell at walmart.

Re: Decreasing service fees on subscriptions to 15%

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Citation? This contradicts everything I’ve seen on the matter.

The article linked in the comment they’re replying to. According to Walter Isaacson's biography of Jobs, the tech guru was opposed to allowing third-party to run natively on iPhone… …Others in the know disagree with Isaacson's story and contend third-party apps were always on the iPhone roadmap; Jobs and company were simply not comfortable with releasing an SDK at launch. https://appleinsider.com/articles/18/07/10/th…

Apple put a lot of effort into the UIKit API and fixing the deficiencies of AppKit, I'm not sure why they would have done this if they didn't intend to later release it.

Re: Decreasing service fees on subscriptions to 15%

#128

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Can you sell it on myWidgetAppStore? Can someone install myWidgetAppStore that sells apps? (the way I can visit myWidget.com if I don't want to use Walmart.com, because Safari doesn't block other websites but iOS blocks other appstores)

If I own an XBox, can I buy a game digitally anywhere expect from XBox own App Store? If I own a TiVo, can I install an app from anywhere other than TiVo App Store? And if you did, there’s plenty of examples where it would void your warranty. Eg John Deere, Tesla, etc can only be serviced by the manufacturer otherwise it void warranty.

Yup, same exact problems as with App Store on iOS, I think you got it!

Re: Decreasing service fees on subscriptions to 15%

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On the desktop, ton of apps don't do their own payments. It takes quite a lot for a company to be able to process their own payments. That's why you see a lot of pay with PayPal, Amazon, Google Pay, Apple Pay, etc. So I think for sure people will still offer Apple Pay. The difference is that there'd be competition now, so Apple would be forced to reduce their margins to the minimum, maybe close to cost price to compe…

Apple pay != App store payment

In this case he does mean apple Pay, the payment processing service.

Ability to handle payment processing has high fixed costs and complexity. So you using a managed service by the big companies make sense, for a cut of the revenue.

At some revenue poing it makes sense to in-house it, so % cut doesn't really impact any big vendor with millions in revenues if they were not forced to use first party payment service for in app or store payments on the mobile platform

Re: Decreasing service fees on subscriptions to 15%

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I don't see the point. Spotify's not willing to give up 10% of their Android revenue, they'll still use their own payment. Epic won't give up 15%. South Korea mandated that apps be allowed to have custom payment methods within apps. Why would any big company, whether Netflix, Epic or Spotify, still give Android 10%? It just seems that the "app store pay toll" is getting less and less justifiable; and it seems outrage…

You are only talking about Spotify, Epic, Netflix and the like, but this makes a huge difference for services that are a tier below that. For any smaller company having trouble with growth/user conversion, a 30% cut to Google for the lifetime of the account is still way too steep, but at 15% you start to consider it.
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