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Long Covid is overblown and often something else, says Oxford professor

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Re: Long Covid is overblown and often something else, says Oxford professor

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Post by CryptoPunk »

Pokepokalypse wrote: post #139
CryptoPunk wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not a scientific answer. Physical symptoms of stress include: Low energy Headaches Upset stomach, including diarrhea, constipation, and nausea Aches, pains, and tense muscles Chest pain and rapid heartbeat Insomnia Frequent colds and infections Loss of sexual desire and/or ability Nervousness and shaking, ringing in the ear, cold or sweaty hands and feet Dry mouth and difficulty swallowing Clenched jaw and gri…

All of those statements about stress are complete unscientific garbage, until someone comes up with a test, which can show some kind of chemical or biological marker that indicates what stress actually is, rather than some vague squishy thing that some people have and others don't. Also: what if the stress symptoms they're feeling, are due to the body fighting long-covid?

What's "complete unscientific garbage" is taking a correlation between a dozen self-reported symptoms, and a COVID infection months before, and deducing that it proves the latter caused the former. There are numerous potential confounding factors, and no real science would dismiss these, and claim a controlled and randomized experiment is not necessary before drawing conclusions.

Re: Long Covid is overblown and often something else, says Oxford professor

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Post by CryptoPunk »

charbonneau wrote: post #94
stuaxo wrote: post #22

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Covid itself creates an auto immune response. It's estimated one in seven kids will suffer long Covid. The symptoms aren't the symptoms of depression.

Not peer-reviewed. Only 13.5% of the children completed the 3-month online questionnaire. After 3 months, 30.3% of test-positives and 16.2% of test-negatives had 3+ symptoms. Possible response & recall bias. No control group for other respiratory infections. Did not assess whether symptoms were continuous for the entire 3 months.

Unfortunately, the media has scared the shit out of people, and they are so convinced that COVID is an extreme threat to every one, that the evidence that confirms their biases requires zero rigor, while the evidence that contradicts the consensus narrative, like ivermectin being an effective prophylaxis, requires extreme rigor.

My opinion is that both should require extreme rigor mind you.

Re: Long Covid is overblown and often something else, says Oxford professor

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Post by nsonha »

noduerme wrote: post #24

Some guy says it's overblown and this is ranking on HN? Personally, I know several people who are not normally complainers or full of shit who have had some wild effects for 9-12 months after a bout of covid, including visual disturbances, extreme exhaustion, and loss of focus or mental acuity. I really don't doubt my friends who've suffered this. They're not the kind of folks who think they have made-up diseases or…

I think you should have control of hacker news and personally curate articles. Everyone is trying to fool everyone else, high morality people like you are rare.

Re: Long Covid is overblown and often something else, says Oxford professor

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Post by charbonneau »

CryptoPunk wrote: post #152
charbonneau wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not peer-reviewed. Only 13.5% of the children completed the 3-month online questionnaire. After 3 months, 30.3% of test-positives and 16.2% of test-negatives had 3+ symptoms. Possible response & recall bias. No control group for other respiratory infections. Did not assess whether symptoms were continuous for the entire 3 months.

Unfortunately, the media has scared the shit out of people, and they are so convinced that COVID is an extreme threat to every one, that the evidence that confirms their biases requires zero rigor, while the evidence that contradicts the consensus narrative, like ivermectin being an effective prophylaxis, requires extreme rigor. My opinion is that both should require extreme rigor mind you.

I downvoted your comment because you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Only rigorologists can advise whether extreme rigor should be required or not.

Re: Long Covid is overblown and often something else, says Oxford professor

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Post by 100kristine »

Anecdotally have friends who have very obvious chronic health issues after catching COVID. Trouble breathing, migraines. They're young and healthy too, mid twenties to early thirties. Might be same catalyst triggering different chronic issues but it's horribly irresponsible to say this is something "overblown."

Re: Long Covid is overblown and often something else, says Oxford professor

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Post by jeofken »

garmaine wrote: post #68
jeofken wrote: post #39

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> My hunch is that their owners are losing money on property investments and are desperate to get employees back in the office, who knows. This conspiracy theory based on hunch falls with Occams Razor, as both owners and writers at newspapers likely diversify their investments like any other investor.

You must not be familiar with the intricacies of UK property ownership. Most desirable properties in London are owned by a small group of aristocratic people who really do just hold property, and things which give them political influence like newspapers. Corporate ownership of buildings is not as prevalent as, say, in New York (except in the family business sort of way). Part of this is tradition, but also the quirk…

If you wish to link something where I can learn the details please feel free

Re: Long Covid is overblown and often something else, says Oxford professor

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Post by garmaine »

jeofken wrote: post #156
garmaine wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You must not be familiar with the intricacies of UK property ownership. Most desirable properties in London are owned by a small group of aristocratic people who really do just hold property, and things which give them political influence like newspapers. Corporate ownership of buildings is not as prevalent as, say, in New York (except in the family business sort of way). Part of this is tradition, but also the quirk…

If you wish to link something where I can learn the details please feel free

Here is a start: https://theguardian.com/money/2019/apr/17/who-owns-england-t...
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