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Unfortunately this is a very common problem with basically all modern high-end laptops that have a macbook-like form factor (e.g. not bulky gaming laptops with lots of cooling & ventilation). It's just not physically possible to make a machine that combines high end power hungry hardware, adequate cooling for that hardware, and a compact form factor. It's very sad that this is such a widespread problem and that there…

> It's just not physically possible to make a machine that combines high end power hungry hardware, adequate cooling for that hardware, and a compact form factor. Yes, and that's why it should be illegal for firms to sell broken devices as we can read in this thread. Stop pretending everything can be smaller and prettier, just build stuff that works no matter what it looks like. Apple is also guilty on the smartphone…

Apple phones have good resale value.

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Also applicable to 2018 MacBooks. Apple laptops are not able to cool themselves if used to any medium or higher capacity. A laptop cooler or cabinet fans underneath to draw air away are a must if you want anywhere close to the cpu power you are purchasing. An external keyboard is also a must to own a MacBook 2015-201i+ if it’s from the special years of dust existing on Earth,

Imagine having to buy extra fans to use your device at full power.

My 2018 MacBook Pro will throttle if you try to use both the GPU and CPU under full load.

My 2017 Dell XPS 15 would throttle if you looked at it. And the coil whine could be heard across the room.

My 2021 M1 MacBook Air is completely silent and barely gets warm under full load. It only has 8GB of RAM and outperforms the XPS and MacBook Pro. It also cost less than half those machines.

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MacBook Pro 2019 has been the worst investment I have ever made. Since the day one it has been heating up and gives 2 hours battery backup. Apple has been useless in solving issue even though I got extra 2 years apple care. After 3 visits to their service outlet, all 3 said that our diagnostics shows no issues. It’s like we investigated ourselves and found ourselves innocent.

Finally when I went for the 4th time and switched on my Mac and made the guy touch the top panel(it was burning up) he agreed to check and fix it. After keeping the laptop for 2 weeks and replacing the screen and the top of the keyboard, the problem persists and I am out of options.

What’s the point of buying an upgraded version with i7 and 16gb if it over heats with simply a couple of tabs open on Firefox. smh

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I cannot conceive how Mace became defacto development devices. They're always heating up, their implementation of POSIX is sketchy at best, their peripheral support is horrendous in the name of aesthetics, and the keyboard is atrocious. This is not to say that there are better alternatives. I have a Dell laptop running Manjaro, which is the second worst laptop experience I've had by far (the first was my 2019 Intel M…

> I wish there was a better solution for a Linux laptop which was sturdy, worked well (sleep, hibernate, wake from lock, bluetooth, wifi), and had a good screen and a lot of external ports.

Perhaps the Framework laptop would fit the bill?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28606962

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I’d been running two 4K monitors off my MacBook Pro and noticed high cpu usage and a non stop fan in the afternoons when the room got a little warmer. Turns out the integrated gpu is struggling and the cpu spends more cycles handling cooling management.

This got annoying enough that I invested in an external gpu (not cheap!!) which resolved my issues. I get it — 4K and 5K monitors require much more graphics processing and a MacBooks integrated gpu can only do so much.

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The overheating problem on my MBP was so bad and so pathetically common, that I had to take drastic and expensive measures, which work pretty well.

I tried various laptop cooling stands, and they were cheap and plastic and had shitty fans that hardly pushed any air, and didn't help.

So I got a solid aluminum laptop stand without a fan, which conducts heat much better than plastic, and I bought four sets of stick-on heat sinks (some large and some small), and stuck them all over the back of the aluminum laptop stand on the surface that touches the bottom of the laptop.

Then I bought a very powerful and quiet inline ventilation fan (the kind you use to pump air out of the bathroom), and analog speed dial (make sure you get an AC speed control for an AC fan, or a DC control if you get a DC fan) and some big wide round air tubing, and I set the fan in the opposite corner of the room (or outside the room with the door open) where the noise it generates is harder to hear, and ran the tube up to the cooling-fin encrusted back of the laptop stand, where it quietly blows lots of air on the back, and cools the stand and laptop quite effectively.

I usually run it at the lowest quietest setting "1", but can turn it up to "10" to cool it down quicker when it's overheating.

If anyone's interested I can provide links to the actual products I bought. Desktop and laptop fans were just not powerful enough, and very loud and clumsy, and it sucks to have the fan itself right next to you instead of in the next room. But the inline room ventilation fans are much more powerful and quieter and adjustable, but more expensive, and the flexible air tube lets you position the fan far away from the computer.

I was losing so many hours of work due to overheating that it was well worth investing in all the equipment to really cool it down.

Here are the small and large adhesive heat sinks, which are sold for 3d printers (I got two packs of each size: 16 eur total for 40 small ones, 16 eur total for 8 big ones):

CTRICALVER Aluminium Heatsink, Black Heatsink, Thermal Adhesive Pad Cooler, for 3D Printer, Pack of 10 (20pcs)

CTRICALVER Thermal conductivity of the radiator, heat conduction measures L40 mm x W40 mm x H11 mm, pack of 4

The fan was 185 eur, and the AC speed control was 35 eur or so, and I wired it myself with a switched plug for a couple euros. There are many models of fan, some AC and some DC, that move various amounts of air per minute, with fixed or three or variable speeds, that make different amounts of noise, but I shopped around and am pretty happy with the mid-range one I got. (S&P is a European brand so YYMV.)

Soler & Palau TD-500/150-160 Silent 580/430m3 Air Conditioning Fan + REB-1N AC speed control

The aluminum stand was 36 eur:

NULAXY Laptop Ständer, Einstellbar Notebook Ständer, Ausblendbar laptopständer Kompatibel für alle 11-17 inches Notebooks: MacBook Pro/Air, Dell

The next step I'm planning is making an air filteration system by taping together some filters like this DIY box fan air purifier, but using the powerful inline fan instead of a weak box fan:

https://tombuildsstuff.blogspot.com/2013/06/better-box-fan-a...

I haven't decided what kind of filters to use yet: cheap high flow central air conditioner filters, or more expensive HEPA filters, that restrict the air flow more. The fan is quite powerful so I'm pretty sure it can handle the HEPA filters, but I haven't tried yet. Maybe that's overkill. But after wasting so many hours on overheating, overkill is kind of the point.

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I tried this and it doesn't work. Turns out my MacBook was throttling to 30% due to overheating. This happens more frequently if you drive the GPU with an external monitor. Unfortunately the OS does nothing to notify you of overheating and throttling, which is an insanely stupid oversight by apple. I only found out because I noticed that the computer ran fine while running the AC, so I installed an app through Brew c…

> root cause There is a bug for 5500M GPU that causes 18W sustained power draw with one external monitor. It should normally be 5W or so. The throttling is due to your VRM chips overheating. There is no temp sensor for this exposed to the user. The VRM chips have no cooling. The high GPU watt draw pushes the temps of the VRMs above their thermal limits with no cooling. The solution is to put thermal pads on your VRMs…

Hmm so 5300m also has no issues?

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MacBook Pro 2019 has been the worst investment I have ever made. Since the day one it has been heating up and gives 2 hours battery backup. Apple has been useless in solving issue even though I got extra 2 years apple care. After 3 visits to their service outlet, all 3 said that our diagnostics shows no issues. It’s like we investigated ourselves and found ourselves innocent. Finally when I went for the 4th time and…

I don't know the details of Apple Care's warranty, but maybe you can cause a fault that will get the whole thing replaced.
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