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“Legit service” stores actually can get the genuine parts and software though. This mainly affects DIY repair.

So, the problem is that you cannot reliably obtain genuine spare parts, not that alternatives exist, right? Also, there are more people taking their devices to "non-legit" stores than people attempting DIY screen repairs. Also, how on earth is bricking my phone (that I paid for) a more desirable outcome than letting me use an inferior display (that I paid for)? Also, what about all the cases where fake replacements a…

I get your perspective but I feel the situation is more complex than that. Replacement parts _never_ brick the phone. They can disable FaceID, TrueTone and show "non genuine" warnings. They also seem to bug out the cameras but this was fixed via an update on the 12 and seems likely to be fixed here too.

The FaceID one seems legitimate as a malicious faceid sensor could compromise security. The truetone one looks like total rubbish and should be fixed. And the non genuine messages are useful.

The problem is not you knowingly putting in a non genuine part. It's that a disappointing chunk of repair stalls and almost all online parts are non genuine and essentially fraud as they advertise as being genuine and better than the original parts. Often they are recycled parts from used / stolen devices which are worn out before you even get them. There are even stores in 3rd world countries which will remove genuine parts from your phone and replace them with fakes while doing something like a battery replacement.

The non genuine message protects the customer who gets their phone repaired. It also protects the second hand buyer so they can see that the whole phone is genuine and no bad parts are used. It also protects the phone owner by making theft less valuable as the parts can not be used to their fullest.

So I totally understand the issues with DIY repair here, but I also see all of the other issues at play. The main issue I see is that Apple does not do repairs on certain parts of the phone like the lightning port so if those parts break, they won't do anything for you. I'd like to see Apple and governments work together to find a solution that ensures users get maximum repairability while still being protected against part fraud. I'd like to see Apple have some open dialog with the public and governments about exactly _why_ each restriction is in place, what problems they face, and why they have to do things this way.

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

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Weird take. Petty theft (like the one being discussed here) can definitely be correlated with inequality. I agree that most people will not steal. That's been my experience of growing up in a country with rampant poverty and inequality (and crime). That said, the more people are in need, the more incentive for them to look for solutions outside of a system that has inherently failed them and the people they know. I h…

> Weird take. Petty theft (like the one being discussed here) can definitely be correlated with inequality. Source?

https://www.zippia.com/advice/crime-income-inequality/

http://www.ijsk.org/uploads/3/1/1/7/3117743/sociology_2.pdf

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/z87w97h/revision/2

https://www.emerald.com/insight/content/doi/10.1108/IJSE-04-...

https://journalofeconomicstructures.springeropen.com/article...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_correlations_of_cr...

https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/full-links-...

https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2018/dec/7/brookings-in...

http://www.ecineq.org/ecineq_paris19/papers_EcineqPSE/paper_...

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/06/07/the-star...

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

#153

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You should probably seek professional help.

Were you expecting a different answer? Do you think anyone who tells you a hard truth should 'seek professional help'? I guess when you end up utterly defeated in your own country clinging to national fervor only to come and post snark on places like HN and still end up own-goaling yourself it must be hard to cope with, snark is all you have left :'(.

What you perceive to be 'hard truths' are nothing more but your personal delusuons.

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

#154

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I've broken iPhones around 10 times. Not a single time was the cost of repair even close to the cost of a new phone.

If I broke something 10 times in one decade, I'd probably be looking to replace it ASAP.

It's not one phone, it's multiple phones that I've broken at different times for different reasons.

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

#155

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But Apple literally does repair my phone when I drop it?

You mean if you pay 10$ per month for AppleCare? I dont pay for it but I have helped friends file claims with Apple, and they usually just ship back a brand new device instead of actually repairing the device. Even for things like screen damage. You can tell because small scratches on the back screen from normal use are gone upon return.

Wait.

Do you seriously believe Apple is sending everyone new iPhones and not repairing them at all?

That would be a stupendously bad business decision.

Re: iPhone 13 teardown and repair assessment [video]

#156

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This looks to me like a tradeoff we collectively haven’t agreed upon for any other device. To take the perennial car analogy, car theft is a widespread enough phenomenon, but we haven’t settled on breaking central functionalities each time a repair is done outside network. To push a bit further, steeply lowering phone price would also critically deter theft, why not go that option if it’s that important ?

Well, imagine Tesla implements a feature to put a car in lost mode and it suddenly can't be driven, even with a key. At that point, the only thing the car thief could do is strip it for parts and sell them on ebay or the like.

To stay in the analogy, I see it more like being forbidden to open your car with the key fob because you had the door bumps straightened.

In our actual case, Apple isn't reacting to a lost mode request, and would be blocking any third party screen repair, under any circumstance.

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#158

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Were you expecting a different answer? Do you think anyone who tells you a hard truth should 'seek professional help'? I guess when you end up utterly defeated in your own country clinging to national fervor only to come and post snark on places like HN and still end up own-goaling yourself it must be hard to cope with, snark is all you have left :'(.

What you perceive to be 'hard truths' are nothing more but your personal delusuons.

Are you insinuating that Russia didn't cause the death of tens of thousands of civilians in east ukraine or that the anti-gay purges in chechnya didn't happen...? You're a real piece of shit if that's your belief.

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Meh, people will not get tired of this it seems. What did the eternal repeating of this ever net you? A tentative promise that they will support the right to repair movement, one they are not obligated to fulfill, and of course it’s always in the future. That’s the best you could hope for with such naive activism. Anecdotal evidence: out of 20+ people with iPhones I know, only one ever had to send it for repairs. In…

The desired outcome here isn't "persuading Apple to budge." It's using the democratic process to arrive at legal changes that make businesses cease an abusive practice. The first step on that road is better public awareness.

And I am saying that the democratic process is overrated and is mostly an urban legend. Just look around the world (and even some places in USA as well).

But I don't want to derail this and move it to politics because there people don't react rationally, it's all just downvotes because somebody's sensibilities got offended. So we better stop here before it all goes to a flame fest.

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#160

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If I broke something 10 times in one decade, I'd probably be looking to replace it ASAP.

It's not one phone, it's multiple phones that I've broken at different times for different reasons.

Even worse then, it sounds like they're doing a bad job of iterating on the design if it's continued to break.
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