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Re: Record number of environmental activists murdered

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Post by scatters »

oefrha wrote: post #145
scatters wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying that an environmental activist being murdered is only newsworthy if you can find a way to pin the blame on a Western corporation? That seems a fairly callous attitude to take.

Who said Western? Are corporations or specifically multinationals uniquely Western? What a weird thing to get defensive about.

Yes, of course multinationals are Western - they're creatures of the Western system of bilateral investor-rights treaties and the largely Anglo-American corporate legal system. Chinese and Russian companies may operate outside their own territory, but they don't have the distributed ownership and management to qualify as multinational.

Re: Record number of environmental activists murdered

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Post by beowulfey »

anshumankmr wrote: post #105

So I was a little curious about some of the names from my country. I checked out the name of Isravel Moses. According to The Wire.in, an online publication, whose credentials one would not doubt when it comes to criticizing the government or corporations had this to say > On the night of November 8, Moses was hacked to death by alleged drug dealers, as a fallout of his reportage on the distribution and sale of ganja…

I would just like to point out that it is somewhat reductionist to think environmental activists only exist to combat global warming. I am seeing a lot of this false equivalency here in this thread and it is surprising to me that people think this.

Re: Record number of environmental activists murdered

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Post by oefrha »

scatters wrote: post #151
oefrha wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who said Western? Are corporations or specifically multinationals uniquely Western? What a weird thing to get defensive about.

Yes, of course multinationals are Western - they're creatures of the Western system of bilateral investor-rights treaties and the largely Anglo-American corporate legal system. Chinese and Russian companies may operate outside their own territory, but they don't have the distributed ownership and management to qualify as multinational.

Coming up with your own narrow definition of a widely accepted term and attacking someone else for using its widely accepted definition is a one-way ticket to a toxic interaction, which ends here.

Re: Record number of environmental activists murdered

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Post by jamesrcole »

spuz wrote: post #133
jamesrcole wrote: post #55

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> Why would you expect the murder rate to be constant? they didn't expect it to be, they said if it remains constant. You seem to be the one making the assumption -- that it wouldn't remain constant -- otherwise why would you have made that comment?

The commenter I replied to said "It (the number of activists) has everything to do with it". That is pretty strong language to me. I infer from that the commenter wanted to suggest that the number of activists is the only factor that matters because we can assume that murder-rate would remain constant. If I am making the wrong inference here then I put it down to the strong and yet imprecise language of "it has every…

I think their absolutist statement was more to do with responding in kind to the comment they were replying to, which said “The overall number of activists or the growth thereof has absolutely nothing to do with that.”

Re: Record number of environmental activists murdered

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Post by anticodon »

parsimo2010 wrote: post #78
anticodon wrote: post #36

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But also remember the hysteria about ozone depletion, which served the interest of DuPont. It's a mystery how heavy halocarbon could reach stratosphere. Nevertheless, thanks to "environmental" activists, DuPont had become richer.

Ozone isn’t a halocarbon and it doesn’t “reach” the stratosphere, it’s formed there. It’s also not a mystery; the upper ozone layer is formed from atmospheric oxygen and radiation from the sun. Since your predicating information is false then whatever conspiracy theory you’re implying probably isn’t true. And while I’m sure some companies profited from prohibiting CFCs, stopping ozone depletion is one of the few thin…

Since your predicating information is false then whatever conspiracy theory you’re implying probably isn’t true.

Halocarbons are heavier than air, they cannot travel up to stratosphere which is 10 to 50 km up in the air. Which is predicating information about why CFCs were bad.

If a few companies made money from it that’s fine. It would be great if we could tie a profit motive to fixing climate change.

Exactly. Both ozone depletion theory and current climate change theory are making rich countries richer and poor countries poorer. Which brings the question: maybe it's actually the point of these theories?

Re: Record number of environmental activists murdered

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Post by Paradigma11 »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #8
cenophor wrote: post #7

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This is murder, not people falling off the cliff because of some accidents. There is probably nothing logically wrong with that question, and you are probably right that there is a correlation. But... seriously?

Yes, seriously. Number one failure in sensationalized reporting is base rate fallacy: they point out a high absolute number, implying something strange is going on, whereas usually the denominator - which they neglect to mention - has rose proportionally, meaning there's nothing newsworthy there. I don't mean this is the case here (I'm yet to read the article itself) - but this failure mode in reporting is so common…

This assumes that there is an infinite capability and willingness to kill activists.

If you have 100 ppl demonstrating against a hydro dam and 1 gets murdered later that night it does not follow that there likely would have been 2 killed if 200 ppl demonstrated.

Re: Record number of environmental activists murdered

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Post by Paradigma11 »

drran wrote: post #98
kleiba wrote: post #4

I know we're not drawing from a random distribution here, but presumably, the number of environmentalists has also risen dramatically in recent years.

How number of activists is linked to number of killers? In case of rabbits and wolves, more rabbits -> more food for wolves -> more wolves. I fail to see the link in the case of activists and killers.

better fit: https://www.mun.ca/biology/scarr/Hudson_Bay_population_cycle...

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Post by markenqualitaet »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #102
markenqualitaet wrote: post #72

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Do you recommend it? It's one of the few scifi shows I haven't seen but stumble upon from time to time. It seems a bit low-budget and oldschool TV (pre-breaking bad quality of TV).

I do. It's pretty decent. It does go a bit downhill later on, but I'd say in the late S3 and S4 (I blame it on the show being cut short and having to wrap up everything too quickly). In the genre of "seemingly a crime show, but really a deep sci-fi", I'd strongly recommend Person of Interest , if you haven't seen it already. It contains what I consider to be, to date, the best discussion of the topic of general artif…

Thanks!

I tried PoI, but it didn't catch me (first ep only). Maybe I try again. I would love a good, techy private detective series. Would love to find something like Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, as a series.

For me, in Germany, Breaking Bad was the series which changed the game. After breaking bad, TV became the superior story vessel. There were some good series before, but after BB "everyone" around saw the appeal. It's a different narrative style than traditional TV series. Even gems like Battlestar Galactica, feel more episodically contained and are not bincheable like modern shows. BB wasn't pioneering but rather the turning stone(?), I think.

And yes, I do recommend giving BB another try. It starts so slowly, but it will get insanely intense! However, it's becoming uncomfortably stressful story-wise. If you don't like that sort of drama, you may not enjoy it. Then Better Call Saul is even better, but also even more slow progression. Tho, if you got into the BB style, the wrinting, acting and cinematography are unmatched IMO.

Re: Record number of environmental activists murdered

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Post by markenqualitaet »

SuoDuanDao wrote: post #114
TeMPOraL wrote: post #102

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I do. It's pretty decent. It does go a bit downhill later on, but I'd say in the late S3 and S4 (I blame it on the show being cut short and having to wrap up everything too quickly). In the genre of "seemingly a crime show, but really a deep sci-fi", I'd strongly recommend Person of Interest , if you haven't seen it already. It contains what I consider to be, to date, the best discussion of the topic of general artif…

Not sure what GP meant by 'pre breaking bad', but I'll give it a shot. It is quite low budget, but the writing does seem like it heralded a change of some sort. I think it's less formulaic but it's hard to really put one's finger on it. To my understanding Breaking Bad was a show where the writers counted on people bingeing it, so they could tell a longer story instead of having to have every thirty minutes be self-c…

Pretty much what I meant :)

BB is the point when TV series started to be seen as superior format for sophisticated story telling. When series became very long movies basically.

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Post by markenqualitaet »

Cats_In_Love wrote: post #112
markenqualitaet wrote: post #72

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Do you recommend it? It's one of the few scifi shows I haven't seen but stumble upon from time to time. It seems a bit low-budget and oldschool TV (pre-breaking bad quality of TV).

The female heroin is hot.

Thank you for the review.

I am not into voyeurism and sexually liberated enough to feel unashamed watching porn directly for erotic stimulation. So, I am rather looking for insights of a different substance.

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