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Record number of environmental activists murdered

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Re: Record number of environmental activists murdered

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Post by chrisseaton »

zdkl wrote: post #83
oefrha wrote: post #74

I skimmed the report.[1] Very few corporation names can be found, unless I missed them. I found some attributions in highlight stories, e.g. Tate & Lyle Sugars in a Thailand case of sugar plantation taking land by force; but those are few and isolated. IMO a list of names of people murdered means almost nothing to any reader beyond the symbolic value. Now, if you also attach the names of responsible/beneficiary corpo…

> if you instead attach the names of responsible/beneficiary corporations Then you'll get annihilated by slander cases before any other inquiries even start. :(

It’s not slander if it’s true.

And if it’s not true then don’t say it.

Re: Record number of environmental activists murdered

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Post by Cats_In_Love »

markenqualitaet wrote: post #72
TeMPOraL wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not entirely about environment issues, but there's a TV show with something similar as a premise - Continuum . A crime solving drama/sci-fi, where the protagonist is a time traveler coming to our times from year 2070-ish, time when the world is ruled by a Corporate Congress, consisting of thinly veiled allusions to well-known corporations of today. In between all the action and emotional drama, it also delivers some…

Do you recommend it? It's one of the few scifi shows I haven't seen but stumble upon from time to time. It seems a bit low-budget and oldschool TV (pre-breaking bad quality of TV).

The female heroin is hot.

Re: Record number of environmental activists murdered

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Post by 0-_-0 »

adham01 wrote: post #12

The year is 2087, the remaining scientists that weren't hunted down in the previous year, have issued a dire warning that time is running out for action on climate change. The claim is rebuked again by a conglomerate consisting of Breathing apparatus manufacturers, Sunblock body-paint makers, Subterranean city developers, Biohazard swimsuit makers, Soylent green icecream industries, Nestlé, FEMA holiday camps, and th…

Copy-pasting a top comment from Reddit I see:

https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/pn6x3g/record_nu...

Re: Record number of environmental activists murdered

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Post by SuoDuanDao »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #102
markenqualitaet wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you recommend it? It's one of the few scifi shows I haven't seen but stumble upon from time to time. It seems a bit low-budget and oldschool TV (pre-breaking bad quality of TV).

I do. It's pretty decent. It does go a bit downhill later on, but I'd say in the late S3 and S4 (I blame it on the show being cut short and having to wrap up everything too quickly). In the genre of "seemingly a crime show, but really a deep sci-fi", I'd strongly recommend Person of Interest , if you haven't seen it already. It contains what I consider to be, to date, the best discussion of the topic of general artif…

Not sure what GP meant by 'pre breaking bad', but I'll give it a shot. It is quite low budget, but the writing does seem like it heralded a change of some sort. I think it's less formulaic but it's hard to really put one's finger on it.

To my understanding Breaking Bad was a show where the writers counted on people bingeing it, so they could tell a longer story instead of having to have every thirty minutes be self-contained.

Re: Record number of environmental activists murdered

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Post by scatters »

oefrha wrote: post #74

I skimmed the report.[1] Very few corporation names can be found, unless I missed them. I found some attributions in highlight stories, e.g. Tate & Lyle Sugars in a Thailand case of sugar plantation taking land by force; but those are few and isolated. IMO a list of names of people murdered means almost nothing to any reader beyond the symbolic value. Now, if you also attach the names of responsible/beneficiary corpo…

Are you saying that an environmental activist being murdered is only newsworthy if you can find a way to pin the blame on a Western corporation? That seems a fairly callous attitude to take.

Re: Record number of environmental activists murdered

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Post by rendall »

markenqualitaet wrote: post #94
rendall wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How does this compare to the growth in the number of environmental activists overall? It's a legitimate question. Any answer other than environmental activists have increased/decreased by x is not an answer to the question. If it's an emotionally loaded response (e.g. Seriously? People are murdered while you quibble! ), it's a non-sequitur.

No, it's a cynical question, which derails the conversation into an arbitrary technical debate. It implies/hints at/suggests there is methological issue. Murder is not some statistical event you have to expect, account for. Language/communication doesn't work the way you argue here. There is context. OP's question would be valid and common for science on e.g. the connection of total brain cancers and smartphone usage…

> No, it's a cynical question

No. The cynicism is the insistence that it doesn't matter.

> ...which derails the conversation

If the answer were "There has been a decrease in the total number of activists, therefore the record is worse that the absolute numbers imply" would you make this accusation? No. No you would not.

You would insist, correctly, that it was very relevant. You would rightly look with suspicion upon people who insist that the question "derails the conversation"

The "derails the conversation" accusation is itself a cynical attempt to control the conversation

Re: Record number of environmental activists murdered

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Post by spacemanmatt »

0-_-0 wrote: post #113
adham01 wrote: post #12

The year is 2087, the remaining scientists that weren't hunted down in the previous year, have issued a dire warning that time is running out for action on climate change. The claim is rebuked again by a conglomerate consisting of Breathing apparatus manufacturers, Sunblock body-paint makers, Subterranean city developers, Biohazard swimsuit makers, Soylent green icecream industries, Nestlé, FEMA holiday camps, and th…

Copy-pasting a top comment from Reddit I see: https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/pn6x3g/record_nu...

Not their only plagiarism on HN lately, either

Re: Record number of environmental activists murdered

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Post by hrfbi »

vivferrari wrote: post #109

Every electronic good you buy contributes to these murders. The raw material sourced in these places are used for manufacture of these products and environmental activism threatens their ability to continue to exploit nature and profit from it.

Oh yes? I'm so looking forward to tomorrow's keynote then.

Re: Record number of environmental activists murdered

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Post by spacemanmatt »

andriesm wrote: post #50
yunohn wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Despite this weird sub-thread, the article isn’t talking about “dangerosity”. They’re reporting on the increase in evil activities by anti-environmental mega corps, who are also murdering opposing activists.

What indication do we have that environmentalally unfriendly companies are murdering activists? I cannot imagine that being their best PR strategy, not to mention the fact that murdering your opposition attracts a lot of scrutiny, investigation, and which corp exec would want to risk going to jail for ordering a hit on an activist. Far more practical to lobby or spread counter marketing spin.

FTFY: PR is a product they buy from media agencies, not something they produce internally through the merits of their actions.

Re: Record number of environmental activists murdered

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Post by mandmandam »

anshumankmr wrote: post #105

So I was a little curious about some of the names from my country. I checked out the name of Isravel Moses. According to The Wire.in, an online publication, whose credentials one would not doubt when it comes to criticizing the government or corporations had this to say > On the night of November 8, Moses was hacked to death by alleged drug dealers, as a fallout of his reportage on the distribution and sale of ganja…

The list is of murdered environmental activists, not just global warming activists.

And while yes, this has been happening for decades, it seems important to note that this is the second year in a row that the counted murders have reached new records.

So I'm really not sure what your point is; it reads like a vague call to complacency.

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