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Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by diskzero »

rejectedandsad wrote: post #140
diskzero wrote: post #124

Watching the footage on this site reminds me of how I watched the events unfold on 9/11. I was at work at Apple in IL2 (Building 2 of the Infinite Loop campus.) People started getting calls on their desk phones and co-workers coming in started to share the news. An email came from Steve Jobs which I can't remember the exact contents of. One thing the email did have, was a link that was a live video news stream of the…

> I was at work at Apple in IL2 (Building 2 of the Infinite Loop campus.) You were at work at 6-7AM?

Yes, I was that day. And I had probably been there since 6:00 am the previous day. Pulling multiple all-nighters on various "super important" projects was typical for me and others. In retrospect, my advice is not to do such things, but it seemed like a good idea at the time.

The email and all the security events happened right after the second plane hit, which seemed like it was closer to normal start of day hours.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by jazzyjackson »

vmception wrote: post #92
photochemsyn wrote: post #62

When reviewing 9/11 attacks (likely the biggest and most disastrous intelligence failure in U.S. history, give or take Pearl Harbor), it's worth remembering that it could have been much worse. If the first plane had hit Indian Point nuclear reactor what, 30 miles from NYC and upwind? It's likely a Chernobyl/Fukushima disaster would have resulted with an exclusion zone well into NYC. That was reportedly part of the pl…

We could have done regime change in Saudi Arabia and still had petrodollars Sometimes its useful to think inside the box But yeah current Saudi Arabia is a good deal for the US, hard to get others so heavily intertwined financially. Might as well not touch it.

I don’t really understand what US/allies get from maintaining a theocracy in SA, chevron and british petroleum predate the modern kingdom, right? why is it good business sense to let the royal family siphon cash like there’s no tomorrow?

seems to me a political explanation is more likely, probably related to the holy war with Iran. In that case I never really understood why we took an anti-theocratic stance there.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by tylerhou »

chitowneats wrote: post #54
ISL wrote: post #44

If watching this footage makes you want to stand up and do something, remember that Covid-19 is killing as many people in the US every two days as died in these attacks. Take small steps to make the world a better place, helping your neighbors, and you can take a stand against entropy.

Heart disease and cancer kill many more: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm... Beware the myopia that sensationalist news coverage tends to encourage. Never forget all the lives lost. Not just the 3000+ we lost on that horrible day (RIP), but the millions more around the world lost in the wake of the actions we chose, as a nation, to take in the "war on terror".

Heart disease and cancer are an aggregate of very many diseases — there are many types of heart diseases (stroke, cardiac arrest, coronary artery disease), and many types of cancers. COVID is a single disease that has killed many multiples more than a single heart disease or cancer.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by cblconfederate »

Almost everyone remembers what they were doing when the events happened, a Flashbulb Memory.

There's actually research on the specific memories of 9/11 : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2925254/

Anyone remember what they were doing the next day at the same time?

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by [deleted] »

chitowneats wrote: post #54
ISL wrote: post #44

If watching this footage makes you want to stand up and do something, remember that Covid-19 is killing as many people in the US every two days as died in these attacks. Take small steps to make the world a better place, helping your neighbors, and you can take a stand against entropy.

Heart disease and cancer kill many more: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm... Beware the myopia that sensationalist news coverage tends to encourage. Never forget all the lives lost. Not just the 3000+ we lost on that horrible day (RIP), but the millions more around the world lost in the wake of the actions we chose, as a nation, to take in the "war on terror".

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Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by mannanj »

Unpopular question, how did a plane and jet fuel burn down a steel reinforced building?

I believe in the entire history of buildings built as the world trade centers were, the only ones ever that burned down and collapse are these. The only way as civil engineers have explained it to me, that the buildings structural qualities could have been compromised, are with additional heat sources besides a jet and jet fuel. I’d love a civil engineer in this thread to ELI5 this for me.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by bjt2n3904 »

justicezyx wrote: post #120

Wow, such a big event in US and world history. Zero top level comment reflects the historical missteps and lessons learned during these 20 years. Guys, wake up. The world is changed and there is a reason. One who cannot understand the momentum behind history, is destined to repeat them.

This is not the first comment to make such a remark.

History does not editorialize. Especially primary sources: simply portraying them is enough. People will come to their own conclusions. People must think critically, and for themselves.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by tablespoon »

photochemsyn wrote: post #62

When reviewing 9/11 attacks (likely the biggest and most disastrous intelligence failure in U.S. history, give or take Pearl Harbor), it's worth remembering that it could have been much worse. If the first plane had hit Indian Point nuclear reactor what, 30 miles from NYC and upwind? It's likely a Chernobyl/Fukushima disaster would have resulted with an exclusion zone well into NYC. That was reportedly part of the pl…

> Additionally, the fact that members of the Saudi government aided and assisted the hijackers...

Details? My understanding is a huge fraction of the Saudi population have jobs that amount to government sinecures (while immigrants do most of the real work). Are we talking about high-level members with real leadership positions, or some minor member of the royal family working in some ministry doing nothing and going off on his own?

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by jazzyjackson »

JamilD wrote: post #108
mlcrypto wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Too many coincidences. Also we couldn't mobilize any fighter jets at all when a plane goes off course?

Not quite an answer to your question, but in the 60s and 70s hijackings were quite common (86 hijackings in 1969) and weren’t seen in the way they are now. The common understanding was that the hijackers wanted to re-route the plane somewhere else, and that everyone would end up alive but inconvenienced. It’s also one reason why only the passengers in United 93 fought back; the idea of a plane as a missile wasn’t wid…

I thought I remembered the plot to the 1996 film “executive decision” as being a debate whether to shoot the passenger jet out of the sky because the plane was going to be used as a missile, but i just read the plot again and they were going to detonate a nerve agent bomb on board the plane while over a us city, so, similar but not quite a prediction of the predicament.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by jeroenhd »

amznthrowaway5 wrote: post #83

Why does 9/11 matter so much but not the many far more horrible atrocities that the US regularly supports or commits (and that 9/11 was partly a response to). Clearly some lives are considered worth far more than others.

I think it's because the USA was an incredibly safe country, attacked seemingly out of nowhere (as far as the public was concerned, at least) with ramifications that impacted every country in the world.

Covid does about a 9/11 every two days, but covid isn't intentional. Bombs go off and kill innocent people all over the world, but none of them kill this many people in a country perceived safe.

The overreaction that followed the attack on the towers helped shape the mess in the middle east. It impacted public perception on NATO. It started more government conspiracies theories than any other event I can think of.

If you're living somewhere outside the West or the Middle East, then 9/11 probably has very little significance in your daily life. Still, its impact on worldwide politics have shaped the world we live in today.

It's the same reason we still see the Tiananmen Square massacre in the news. 3000 people died, but even though they were people in a remote, (then) poor country that barely anyone outside China had any personal reason to care about, the event changed people's views all around the world.

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