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Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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This is all great, but let's stick to definitions when discussing if a country matches one or not. Either disagree with the definition and give your alternative, or disagree with checkpoints in the current one.

Let’s. As outlined above, totalitarian regimes strive to control your private life while authoritarian regimes generally do not. Since you wrote that the difference is unclear to you, I thought I’d explain it.

So what is "control of private life"?

Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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In the Florida case it was/is a common surname, not a full name. In this Russian case, two humans changed their full name to match. Presumably paid to do so. Very different situations Edit: in the Russian case, they also changed their appearance to match According to a sibling comment, this strategy goes back to JohnF Kennedy at least. Except that the Russians take it to the next level

In Florida a sham candidate with the same surname as the real candidate paid to run to siphon off votes from the real candidate. Completely different. Not at all similar. Nothing in common. Nothing to see in Florida, move along please.

Just like an App Store.

Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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In the Florida case it was/is a common surname, not a full name. In this Russian case, two humans changed their full name to match. Presumably paid to do so. Very different situations Edit: in the Russian case, they also changed their appearance to match According to a sibling comment, this strategy goes back to JohnF Kennedy at least. Except that the Russians take it to the next level

I didn't know this. It's absolutely bizarre. I wonder why Russia even bothers with elections -- it's clearly not on the bandwagon for western liberalism, which seems fair enough to me, but then why go through the motions?

A majority of people there still support Putin.

And he knows that, but if he won the election with 60% of votes, it would show that there are other candidates or political parties with tremendous support. Yeah, they can exist and even win in different states across the country for different political roles.

Still, the idea that he wants to show to people is that he is supported by the majority and supported with overwhelming superiority in votes. He doesn't need fraud votes to win. He needs to fraud voting to show the dramatic differences in support.

It's all about image in people's heads.

Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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In Florida a sham candidate with the same surname as the real candidate paid to run to siphon off votes from the real candidate. Completely different. Not at all similar. Nothing in common. Nothing to see in Florida, move along please.

OP said it happened In Florida but no name changes happened in Florida. My comment was meant to clarify, not argue in bad faith. I said “very” different not “completely different”. Nor did I argue that either should be ignored.

Don’t be daft. The intent and result are identical. It’s not “very” different at all. It’s nominally different at best, but almost equivalent in practice. It’s intellectual dishonesty to suggest otherwise.

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A friend of mine (and my successor as chairman of the Chicago Republican Party) filed a case in the U.S. Supreme Court this week over the same tactic right here in Chicago. https://www.chicagotribune.com/politics/ct-michael-madigan-c... If we win this thing, then filing sham candidates will become illegal in the U.S. It's an utterly corrupt practice.

Not this particular case but just to give context on why padding the primary with sham candidates of the same ethnic group is an issue, but also in Chicago it has happened that people change their names to imply certain ethnic/heritage/characteristics like Phillip Spiwak (R) became Shannon P. O’Malley (D) to win an elected judge position in 2018 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/illinois-judge-candidat...

"Bobby" Jindal, "Ted" Cruz, etc.

Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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Your link redirects me to chicagotribune.com/. Maybe only works for subscribers?

Link worked for me, not a subscriber.

Same, maybe it's µblock Origin that fixes it? I'm using mostly stock LibreWolf with its preinstalled µBO on a MSW 10 library computer (though btw AdNauseum is a better µBO fork).

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Barack Obama won his first election using a different procedural trick — he looked up his three opponents' ballot petitions, and challenged enough of the signatures on the petitions that they were all delisted.

This is done by literally every single campaign/organization. The signature process is usually outsourced to people making $.25 a signature. And there is a HUGE amount of fraud. Even when checking against the voter file. Which BTW is public info for most places, which makes it easy to fill in 'correct' data. This happens even on legitimate large campaigns with controls who do NOT want to cheat lest they get thrown of…

Honestly I feel like "unable to find field organizers who won't cheat" as a disqualifying characteristic... doesn't sound totally unreasonable.

Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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Happened in Florida in 2020 as well... https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2020/12/02/the-name-is-the-... https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/11/20/florida-ele... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...

In Russian they have the term 'political technology' [1], which means the manipulation of elections by legal means, such as creating momentum for a candidate by means of opionion polls with biased/framed questions. Now according to wikipedia, the second trick in the list are doppelganger candidates. I didn't find a proper translation of the Russian term 'political technology', how do you say that in English?

Correction: 'political consulting' is probably the correct translation, however it doesn't convey the same cynicism expressed by 'political technology'.

[1] https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_consulting

Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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This reminds me of the 2019 Canadian federal election. There was a new party in that election led by a man named Maxime Bernier called the People's Party. They're a far-right populist party and generally awful. Bernier himself was running in Beauce, Quebec, which he had represented through the Conservative party since 2006 before he had created the People's Party. But then the Rhinoceros Party, a satirical political…

If PPC is "far right", can you imagine how far left Canadian liberals must be.

Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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Why are Republicans suing over a Democratic primary? I'm doubting good faith. Also this seems to be civil case, not a criminal one, so I'm not sure how it'd make anything illegal?

Maybe because having a political affiliation you disagree with by no means incriminates you of having no morals or ethics.

Sure, in a perfect world. In the world of politics you let your opponents eat themselves.
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