Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot • Hacker News Board

Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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Post by rory » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 8:26 PM UTC

sct202 wrote: post #48

ccleve wrote: post #38

A friend of mine (and my successor as chairman of the Chicago Republican Party) filed a case in the U.S. Supreme Court this week over the same tactic right here in Chicago. https://www.chicagotribune.com/politics/ct-michael-madigan-c... If we win this thing, then filing sham candidates will become illegal in the U.S. It's an utterly corrupt practice.

Not this particular case but just to give context on why padding the primary with sham candidates of the same ethnic group is an issue, but also in Chicago it has happened that people change their names to imply certain ethnic/heritage/characteristics like Phillip Spiwak (R) became Shannon P. O’Malley (D) to win an elected judge position in 2018 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/illinois-judge-candidat...

John Kerry comes to mind here, although at least the official story states that his grandfather chose an Irish name essentially through dumb luck.

Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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Post by jaywalk » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 8:29 PM UTC

fennecfoxen wrote: post #111

drocer88 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

John F. Kennedy used this trick: https://www.politico.com/gallery/2012/06/16-worst-political-... Note the two "Joseph Russo" entries on the ballot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_history_of_John_F._K...

Barack Obama won his first election using a different procedural trick — he looked up his three opponents' ballot petitions, and challenged enough of the signatures on the petitions that they were all delisted.

Not sure why you're being downvoted, because what you said is 100% true: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2007-04-04-070403...

Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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Post by QuercusMax » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 8:38 PM UTC

jaywalk wrote: post #122

fennecfoxen wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Barack Obama won his first election using a different procedural trick — he looked up his three opponents' ballot petitions, and challenged enough of the signatures on the petitions that they were all delisted.

Not sure why you're being downvoted, because what you said is 100% true: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2007-04-04-070403...

Your link redirects me to chicagotribune.com/. Maybe only works for subscribers?

Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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Post by MeinBlutIstBlau » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 8:42 PM UTC

cguess wrote: post #96

ccleve wrote: post #38

A friend of mine (and my successor as chairman of the Chicago Republican Party) filed a case in the U.S. Supreme Court this week over the same tactic right here in Chicago. https://www.chicagotribune.com/politics/ct-michael-madigan-c... If we win this thing, then filing sham candidates will become illegal in the U.S. It's an utterly corrupt practice.

Why are Republicans suing over a Democratic primary? I'm doubting good faith. Also this seems to be civil case, not a criminal one, so I'm not sure how it'd make anything illegal?

Maybe because having a political affiliation you disagree with by no means incriminates you of having no morals or ethics.

Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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Post by MeinBlutIstBlau » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 8:44 PM UTC

CarelessExpert wrote: post #69

a-priori wrote: post #4

This reminds me of the 2019 Canadian federal election. There was a new party in that election led by a man named Maxime Bernier called the People's Party. They're a far-right populist party and generally awful. Bernier himself was running in Beauce, Quebec, which he had represented through the Conservative party since 2006 before he had created the People's Party. But then the Rhinoceros Party, a satirical political…

Well, in Canada (and I'd assume elsewhere, but I've not checked) our ballots include party affiliation, so it's pretty easy to tell the candidates apart if you're paying any attention at all.

The US's does as well. That's why I don't understand why people are up and arms. People aren't getting names confused, they're seriously don't care.

Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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Post by jaywalk » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 8:53 PM UTC

QuercusMax wrote: post #123

jaywalk wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why you're being downvoted, because what you said is 100% true: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2007-04-04-070403...

Your link redirects me to chicagotribune.com/. Maybe only works for subscribers?

Interesting. I'm definitely not a subscriber, so that's not the issue.

Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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Post by vogre » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 8:59 PM UTC

lostmsu wrote: post #98

int_19h wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Totalitarian" implies total control - i.e. yes, the ability to direct uniform thugs to kick down doors and execute people in the streets is included in it. Putin's Russia is authoritarian, not totalitarian. That's why political opponents are murdered by assassins, not executed by firing squads.

Can you show a quote from somewhere, where "totalitarian" would imply total control? Wikipedia's description of "Totalitarianism" matches state of things in Russia exactly: - prohibits all opposition parties // check - outlaws individual opposition to the state // check - extremely high degree of control over public life // check - private life // that maybe not, but I am not sure what that means - political power is…

> prohibits all opposition parties

Not all opposition parties are prohibited. there are more parties in Russian parliament(6) than in US congress(2). Even after this year elections there will probably be 3+ parties in parliament.

> outlaws individual opposition to the state

it's not really outlawed still, but yes, we are very close to it

>extremely high degree of control over public life

no. There are very chaotic attempts to control public life, but they are not very systemic.

> political power is often held by autocrats

This sentence is like "democracy is when political power is held by democrats"

> propaganda is broadcast by state-controlled mass media in order to control the citizenry

check for every country in the world

Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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Post by rsj_hn » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 9:01 PM UTC

nomoreplease wrote: post #47

NortySpock wrote: post #34

Happened in Florida in 2020 as well... https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2020/12/02/the-name-is-the-... https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/11/20/florida-ele... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...

In the Florida case it was/is a common surname, not a full name. In this Russian case, two humans changed their full name to match. Presumably paid to do so. Very different situations Edit: in the Russian case, they also changed their appearance to match According to a sibling comment, this strategy goes back to JohnF Kennedy at least. Except that the Russians take it to the next level

I didn't know this. It's absolutely bizarre. I wonder why Russia even bothers with elections -- it's clearly not on the bandwagon for western liberalism, which seems fair enough to me, but then why go through the motions?

Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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Post by NortySpock » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 9:07 PM UTC

QuercusMax wrote: post #123

jaywalk wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure why you're being downvoted, because what you said is 100% true: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2007-04-04-070403...

Your link redirects me to chicagotribune.com/. Maybe only works for subscribers?

Link worked for me, not a subscriber.

Re: Three near-identical Boris Vishnevskys on St Petersburg election ballot

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Post by juped » Tue, Sep 07, 2021, 9:11 PM UTC

sct202 wrote: post #48

ccleve wrote: post #38

A friend of mine (and my successor as chairman of the Chicago Republican Party) filed a case in the U.S. Supreme Court this week over the same tactic right here in Chicago. https://www.chicagotribune.com/politics/ct-michael-madigan-c... If we win this thing, then filing sham candidates will become illegal in the U.S. It's an utterly corrupt practice.

Not this particular case but just to give context on why padding the primary with sham candidates of the same ethnic group is an issue, but also in Chicago it has happened that people change their names to imply certain ethnic/heritage/characteristics like Phillip Spiwak (R) became Shannon P. O’Malley (D) to win an elected judge position in 2018 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/illinois-judge-candidat...

Warren "Bill de Blasio" Wilhelm.