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ProtonMail deletes 'we don't log your IP' from website after activist arrested

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The issue was assault during eviction, not just squating. And my point was not to equate assault and murder. Just to say that we were having the wrong discussion.

Ah, I wasn't aware of the assault. Is there a news story that talks about the eviction of the squatters?

This blog posting by a squatting collective surfaced in a HN thread yesterday

https://paris-luttes.info/communique-sur-l-affaire-de-la-145...

Re: ProtonMail deletes 'we don't log your IP' from website after activist arrested

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> stated: "No personal information is required to create your secure email account. By default, we do not keep any IP logs which can be linked to your anonymous email account. Your privacy comes first."

And it still holds!!

What it didn't stat is that while _by default_ no such information is logged, but if they are legally compelled to they will log such the neseccary information for the email (account?) they are required to log them for.

Its honestly surprising for me that anyone though that a fully legally (in Swiss)operating service would protect their privacy beyond the point they are allowed to by Swiss law. But luckily for us Swiss law is pretty neat wrt. privacy, at least currently.

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> I think there is a market for datacenters in open seas. Sealand's HavenCo tried it back in the 2000s. As it turned out, it didn't work well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HavenCo See: Death of a data haven: cypherpunks, WikiLeaks, and the world’s smallest nation https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/03/sealand-and-have...

I find Sealand fascinating. Imagine founding an off-grid location as a data haven, and it got popular. What would happen? I can see covert operations from foreign governments happening for example, driven by copyright lobbyists. Would they then need to hire security forces or train their own armed forces? Would it eventually join global political organizations to influence and protect its position? It gets really int…

I think the Republic of Rose Island is more interesting in that respect. Sealand is in British waters, and not recognised by HMG or any other state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Rose_Island

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand

Re: ProtonMail deletes 'we don't log your IP' from website after activist arrested

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Wasn't this a form of fraud? I don't know what the Swiss law is but in the United States, fraud is both a civil tort and criminal wrong. The elements of a fraud are: 1) the making of a statement 2) the falsity of the statement 3) an intent to deceive 4) reasonable reliance on the statement by the injured party 5) injury sustained as the result of the reliance ProtonMail knowingly told this activist 'we don't log your…

2. was missing when the activist started using PM. 3. also missing (unless there is strong evidence of presence). So no, no fraud. PM has to follow Swiss law and they have stated this long before the incident pretty clearly.

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Be careful when companies market themselves as Swiss or that due to them being located in Switzerland means there is some extra layer of security or privacy. Sure, it's a more stable country than many other countries in the world, but not much different from most EU countries for example. And privacy wise there is no difference. Be also aware of the fact that many companies market themselves as Swiss, but all it mean…

> Their servers are based in Texas, USA and Luxemburg, Europe and their development team in Bulgaria I don't believe it means anything. They form a company in Switzerland, which makes them compliant to the Swiss laws, they rent infrastructure from a provider where these services are most favourable for their business(which in this case could be USA and Luxembourg) and they do their tech dev work in Bulgaria(Which is…

You think you host your PI data in the EU, but in fact it is sitting on US soil.

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Be careful when companies market themselves as Swiss or that due to them being located in Switzerland means there is some extra layer of security or privacy. Sure, it's a more stable country than many other countries in the world, but not much different from most EU countries for example. And privacy wise there is no difference. Be also aware of the fact that many companies market themselves as Swiss, but all it mean…

I also dislike companies that use the label 'Made in [country]' as a prominent hook to promise users they will get enhanced privacy - which may or may not be true. I'd rather they be honest and say: these are the examples when we must comply with the law and must hand over the following details. We all need to make our own evaluation of the privacy promises of those services and whether they actually provide privacy…

As an Australian, I absolutely appreciate knowing an online company is located somewhere that isn’t here.

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The ProtonMail guys always said that unless they were 20 miles from the littoral, in the sea side, they had to abide by national laws. So it was bound to happen. What makes me sad is how flimsy their entire premise (not necessarily "promise") turned out to be: all it took was some minor rascal in France to hug the wrong tree (so to speak), and ProtonMail is in the open saying they can't even protect the IP address of…

> can't even protect the IP address of their customers.

Why even the IP address is both technically and law-wise on of the hardest thinks to protect. The only way to get anywhere close to it is by using a VPN, Tor or similar additionally to whatever protection the service provides, and surprise, they do have a onion site (I think).

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post #34

Be careful when companies market themselves as Swiss or that due to them being located in Switzerland means there is some extra layer of security or privacy. Sure, it's a more stable country than many other countries in the world, but not much different from most EU countries for example. And privacy wise there is no difference. Be also aware of the fact that many companies market themselves as Swiss, but all it mean…

The funny thing is, while advertising all of that, they're not providing free SMTP service that actually allow you to send properly GPG encrypted emails to protect your privacy. So for me, ProtonMail is basically a web email service, a nice web email service to be completely fair, but without perks. I will never call them an "encrypted email" service.

Yes, they make registering burner addresses a breeze for potentially spammy sites, but thats basically their only USP for me.

Re: ProtonMail deletes 'we don't log your IP' from website after activist arrested

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Their servers are based in Texas, USA and Luxemburg, Europe and their development team in Bulgaria I don't believe it means anything. They form a company in Switzerland, which makes them compliant to the Swiss laws, they rent infrastructure from a provider where these services are most favourable for their business(which in this case could be USA and Luxembourg) and they do their tech dev work in Bulgaria(Which is…

You think you host your PI data in the EU, but in fact it is sitting on US soil.

If you are hosting your PI data in Switzerland and you think you are hosting it in the EU, you already have a problem.

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>I think there is a market for datacenters in open seas. The idea of having a isolated sovereign floating platform in the ocean doesn't doesn't really solve the problem of escaping the rules of national governments because it still needs network connections into those countries . Whether it's underseas fiber optic cables or bouncing signals off of satellites, the datacenter will be rendered useless if nations' citize…

>Whether it's underseas fiber optic cables or bouncing signals off of satellites, the datacenter will be rendered useless if nations' citizens get a "This site can’t be reached. [...] ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT" Not if Elon succeeds with Starlink: >>@thesheetztweetz: How does transmitting into a country without a local downlink work on the regulatory side? >@elonmusk: They can shake their fist at the sky [0] For contex…

Elon is a citizen(subject) of the US, as well as his enterprise.
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