Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies • Hacker News Board

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by eptcyka » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 7:01 PM UTC

gfiorav wrote: post #134

qeternity wrote: post #130

So many people in this thread don’t understand how enterprise decisions get made. The business license costs $21/month, probably less in reality. Do you really think that businesses are going to jeopardize the workflows of their $250k/year assets over a very core piece of software for $250/year? Any alternative has switching costs and risks. Companies will just pay this. I see so many people saying “just do these 10…

Exactly. This makes sense. USD 21 per user/month + bulk discount is nothing. If companies want to roll their own they can, but most won't. Docker Desktop adds a lot of value if only by removing the hassle for quick os-agnostic development.

What is the value add for Docker Desktop?

In a world where podman exists, what's the point of docker on dev machines anyway?

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by SilasX » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 7:01 PM UTC

ben7799 wrote: post #147

We use Docker Desktop for the Mac at work. (Large company) Docker for Mac absolutely sucks. If they’re going to force everyone to pay they better start fixing bugs. They recently stopped allowing skipping a release unless you pay, and then promptly shipped a point release with a showstopper bug. I literally asked IT for a Linux VM/Cloud machine yesterday for development because my Mac is dead in the water due to a bu…

>They recently stopped allowing skipping a release unless you pay, and then promptly shipped a point release with a showstopper bug.

Whoa, really? Is this written up somewhere?

My first "WTF" with docker was in Fall 2015 when we dockerized our app and had it nicely set up so we could tell employees "run this command and the app Just Works" ... and then they introduced a breaking change to the format of docker compose files so it just mysteriously stopped working in the middle of the day.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by nagyf » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 7:02 PM UTC

ben7799 wrote: post #147

We use Docker Desktop for the Mac at work. (Large company) Docker for Mac absolutely sucks. If they’re going to force everyone to pay they better start fixing bugs. They recently stopped allowing skipping a release unless you pay, and then promptly shipped a point release with a showstopper bug. I literally asked IT for a Linux VM/Cloud machine yesterday for development because my Mac is dead in the water due to a bu…

> They recently stopped allowing skipping a release unless you pay

I honestly thought that's a bug. That is so ridiculous if that's intentional. I agree with your post and have similar experiences with Docker for Mac

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by steviedotboston » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 7:02 PM UTC

ben7799 wrote: post #147

We use Docker Desktop for the Mac at work. (Large company) Docker for Mac absolutely sucks. If they’re going to force everyone to pay they better start fixing bugs. They recently stopped allowing skipping a release unless you pay, and then promptly shipped a point release with a showstopper bug. I literally asked IT for a Linux VM/Cloud machine yesterday for development because my Mac is dead in the water due to a bu…

I have to restart Docker for Mac multiple times a day. I'm surprised there hasn't been a community driven open source alternative yet

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by yurishimo » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 7:02 PM UTC

ben7799 wrote: post #147

We use Docker Desktop for the Mac at work. (Large company) Docker for Mac absolutely sucks. If they’re going to force everyone to pay they better start fixing bugs. They recently stopped allowing skipping a release unless you pay, and then promptly shipped a point release with a showstopper bug. I literally asked IT for a Linux VM/Cloud machine yesterday for development because my Mac is dead in the water due to a bu…

Yeah, that's probably not gonna happen. At the scale Docker is operating at now, the reason the Mac app sucks, is because it's really hard. They already have the resources to throw at this problem now and this is the product we have.

This is purely a $$$ move (which is fine) but we shouldn't expect an order of magnitude more work going into the product as a result of this move, imo.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by emptysongglass » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 7:03 PM UTC

justincormack wrote: post #108

emptysongglass wrote: post #41

Docker Desktop with developer environments would be a great value add if it supported Windows, macOS and Linux. As it is, we have developers in the company using Linux workstations so our Docker subscription is just for a registry. We'll be moving soon given no forthcoming Linux client.

Hi, we have requests for Docker Desktop Linux, please upvote https://github.com/docker/roadmap/issues/39 and we are looking at the details of what we need to do to implement this.

Thanks for listening, Justin. Looking forward to updates. I know it must be tough facing a lot of adversity from the community. I hope you guys continue playing to your strengths, improve customer support (number 1 in my book) and continue beefing out your product portfolio so companies like the one I work for can build healthy relationships with Docker, Inc.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by otabdeveloper4 » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 7:03 PM UTC

qeternity wrote: post #130

So many people in this thread don’t understand how enterprise decisions get made. The business license costs $21/month, probably less in reality. Do you really think that businesses are going to jeopardize the workflows of their $250k/year assets over a very core piece of software for $250/year? Any alternative has switching costs and risks. Companies will just pay this. I see so many people saying “just do these 10…

The places where I worked there's an inverse relationship - the smaller the cost, the harder it is to justify with finances. ($4000 monthly AWS bill for "testing purposes"? No questions asked. $10 wireless mouse? Mission impossible!)

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by namdnay » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 7:03 PM UTC

qeternity wrote: post #130

So many people in this thread don’t understand how enterprise decisions get made. The business license costs $21/month, probably less in reality. Do you really think that businesses are going to jeopardize the workflows of their $250k/year assets over a very core piece of software for $250/year? Any alternative has switching costs and risks. Companies will just pay this. I see so many people saying “just do these 10…

That’s assuming some kind soul in engineering management has the patience and leverage to guide this through 10 layers of purchasing, procurement, finance, legal etc…

Another likely outcome is that it’s “easier” for teams to switch to another tool (easier in that at least they’re not waiting on a third party for approval) and everyone loses a lot of time

Big corporations are not the most efficient beasts for this kind of situation

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by dsjoerg » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 7:04 PM UTC

SkyMarshal wrote: post #140

rcarmo wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the Mac, just get Canonical’s Multipass ( http://multipass.run ) and do an apt-get to install Docker into a VM and use VS Code to “remote” to it. It will automatically install the Docker extension inside the Linux VM and you’re set. For Windows, use WSL2 and do the same. Both can mount “local” folders, although the setup is obviously different. You now have a better way to manage containers than ever before.

Why run Docker inside a VM on a Mac, when you can just run the Linux dev environment directly inside the VM? That's just starting to sound like Docker for the sake of Docker. Multipass, Qemu, and Parallels can all provide a solid VM on Mac host. All you need after that is your dev environment VM guest image to deploy to the team. https://wiki.qemu.org/Hosts/Mac https://www.parallels.com/

Some people here actually want and need Docker features. For me it's the ability to run from a given image and know that I've got _exactly_ the same image that other developers have. Reproducibility.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 7:04 PM UTC

athorax wrote: post #114

adolph wrote: post #87

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Ok, I gave it a try. It's given me two K8s errors before any meaningful container work can be done. Not going to waste further time given a first run experience this bad. I'm interested in investing in my tools, not alpha-testing.

Probably shouldn't run tools in alpha status then

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