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Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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So let's say you work for Mozilla and you are gay, or your sibling is gay, or your best friend is gay, or hell: you just are willing to care about people who aren't that close to you and you know that some people somewhere are assuredly gay; and so now, you have to come in to the office every day to work under a guy who, sure, has made an invaluable contribution to the web... but also actively dislikes gay people and…

This is where things get complicated. What’s the difference between dislike and disagree with? Ginsberg and Scalia were Supreme Court justice’s know for this. Disagreeing with something, even fundamental, doesn’t mean people need to dislike each other. Imagine, for a moment, this idea was placed on religious belief. Should people working for someone with a different religious affiliation assume their boss dislikes th…

Actions are even more important than disagreements or dislikes.

You can disagree with someone who believes in slavery, and you are free to still like them if you want, sure.

But if it was me in your place, even if I liked that person, I still would not want to work for them based on their actions. And I think this is a fair position for anyone to take.

Or if you are saying it is conceivably possible that Brendan* likes gay people, also I’d say sure. Actually it’s likely he likes at least one certain closeted repressed gay person in particular, I’d guess. Still, it’s reasonable to not want to work for such a person who takes such actions.

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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I've been using Firefox daily for over 15 years now. My experience with Firefox over the last 2-3 years in particular leaves me very disappointed and frustrated. The constant nonsense UI redesigns that come about with every new update. The instability, and ridiculous resources consumption. The slowness and slugishness. I want a browser that works, respects my privacy, stays out of my way and lets me get shit done. A…

I used Firefox from launch until about two years ago. I stopped for reasons similar to what you listed.

I’ve really enjoyed Brave as it is just a simple browser that works (and has lots of privacy features).

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Each to their own. I'm a happy Firefox user and will continue to be on all my devices (including my phone which I'm writing this now with)

I have been trying to switch to Firefox since long but have never been able to completely switch. There have always been some problems that send me away.

On my phone (Android), Firefox is quite good except a few UX issues (that I don't mind too much) but the sync with my desktop has NEVER worked.

On the desktop, FF has always been slow - in booting, loading pages. The same with Edge and Chrome just work.

If I could get it to sync, and if the desktop version worked, I would never go back to Chromium.

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Fun fact: Under current conditions (200M users) it looks like Google is paying $2-2.25 per active user annually to be the default search engine in Firefox. "Mozilla renewed its search deal with Google in 2020 for three years. The organization will receive an estimate of $400 to $450 million per year from the deal alone. " https://www.ghacks.net/2020/12/10/mozillas-revenue-jumped-to...

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Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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We shouldn’t just look at power users. Google and Microsoft, for example, constantly advertise to use their browser when you visit their properties. I imagine this has an impact.

Google, yes. But Microsoft? I haven't noticed, and I'm on Office 365 all day (my client uses that) while running Firefox / Linux. Microsoft does keep asking me to use Edge on my Windows gaming machine, although it's the only browser I have installed... But I guess the point is... where is Mozilla going to ask people to use Firefox?

But Microsoft? I haven't noticed > Try installing firefox (or even chrome) on a clean install of an updated windows 10.

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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I've been using Firefox daily for over 15 years now. My experience with Firefox over the last 2-3 years in particular leaves me very disappointed and frustrated. The constant nonsense UI redesigns that come about with every new update. The instability, and ridiculous resources consumption. The slowness and slugishness. I want a browser that works, respects my privacy, stays out of my way and lets me get shit done. A…

> The slowness and slugishness.

Mozilla has a nice tool to help identify sources of "slowness and slugishness"[1], you may want to give it a try -- oftentimes it's found that the issue is not Firefox itself, but some extensions, external processes, or undesirable modifications in `about:config`.

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[1] https://profiler.firefox.com/

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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post #108

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We shouldn’t just look at power users. Google and Microsoft, for example, constantly advertise to use their browser when you visit their properties. I imagine this has an impact.

Google, yes. But Microsoft? I haven't noticed, and I'm on Office 365 all day (my client uses that) while running Firefox / Linux. Microsoft does keep asking me to use Edge on my Windows gaming machine, although it's the only browser I have installed... But I guess the point is... where is Mozilla going to ask people to use Firefox?

Yes, I guess they mean Edge since the new Microsoft Edge uses chromium as their base browser. MS must have gotten tired of paying a huge team of devs to constantly fix and implement new web stuff in EdgeHTML/Chakra.

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Anyone else install ESR to avoid the new interface?

I did, on both personal and corporate client.

I forgot to backup installed extension names and other stuff from the FF version I uninstalled, and ESR corrupted the previous profile after I installed it so even after going back I wasn't able to recover.

At that point I wiped all traces of FF and started with FF ESR "from scratch". It was well worth the trouble - no stupid tabs. Who knows for how long.

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Former Firefix advocate, after the plugins breakage and senseless ui changes I had to check out. Kiwi on mobile from an HN recommendation

Same. I was 100% FF until they broke my AD blocker on iOS. The internet is unusable without it, so I switched to Brave.

I do align philosophically with OSS, and community organization, though, so I may switch back at some point.

I do think Mozilla’s executive team needs a real shakeup, though.

Edit: haven’t heard of Kiwi. Looks interesting. Why’d you land on that vs Brave or whatever else?

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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I've been using Firefox daily for over 15 years now. My experience with Firefox over the last 2-3 years in particular leaves me very disappointed and frustrated. The constant nonsense UI redesigns that come about with every new update. The instability, and ridiculous resources consumption. The slowness and slugishness. I want a browser that works, respects my privacy, stays out of my way and lets me get shit done. A…

If you want to customize your browser (as far as using your own CSS) you can try Vivaldi. I've been using it for years and after the 3.7 update it feels fast and snappy (at least on my computer). It has tons of custom settings around tabs, commands, windows, toolbars, etc.

At least on Linux it gets out of my way quite nicely. Things like easily accessible Profiles help me quite a lot with my workflow.

If you're really strict about privacy there are browsers like ungoogled-chromium, Bromite (Android) and Orion Browser (only on Mac, iOS) which promise 0 telemetry, connections against their services, etc. Brave is nice but has connections against their services (internal addon updates, safe browsing, updates).

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