There are two ways to solve climate change. Lower the population or lower consumption. Efficiency gains such as these are a way to lower consumption and we should be continue to focus on regulations that drive towards lower consumption. Population control is still largely taboo so lowering consumption is the only way out of climate change at this point.
PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
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Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
#152Just want to remind everyone how far California has gone in energy efficiency: > In 2018, California's energy consumption was second-highest among the states, but its per capita energy consumption was the fourth-lowest due in part to its mild climate and its energy efficiency programs. Source: https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=CA#tabs-4 This is an achievement to be proud of.
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Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
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High energy prices have probably done a lot to incentivize lower consumption & efficiency. But mild climate does still give it an unfair advantage if trying to compare it apples to apples with other states. South eastern states are always going to eat a huge chunk of Watt Hours in air conditioning, and in some states many people have little choice but to use electric heat or furnaces. I'd be very interested in state-…
It might not be that California has an unfair advantage, but that southern states have an unfair disadvantage. If southern states spike their watt hours due to aircon, we could say the cause is poor construction/architecture. The poorer the insulation (southern homes' insulation is crap compared to northern) the more you need to pump the aircon. And when homes are not designed for optimal environmental efficiency or…
I completely, fully, and totally agree. Although that's also why, in terms of energy efficiency progress, I'd like to see those factors take out and compare where they stand on consumption that is less tied to climate and construction quality.
That's not so say they should be discounted, only that each segment of energy consumption should be compared like to like.
Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
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>Does it matter to you that these rules are trying to protect our civilization from dissolving in a heap of wildfires, floods, power outages, droughts, storms, etc? This stuff is not just hypothetical any more. Half the issues you've listed are most certainly due to incompetence/mismanagement rather than PCs in CA/CO/HI/OR/VT using slightly more power. eg. wildfires: Gov. Gavin Newsom cut the fire prevention budget b…
Not going to get into the laptop discussion but the wildfires are 100% due to heat and drought, and those are much worse recently because of global warning. PG&E could bury ever cable, they could increase the fire prevention budget by 10 times over, and it wouldn't fix it.
You're saying that the wildfires are 100% caused by heat and drought? I think you should have a look at the huge heap of evidence pointing to poor forest management being the true culprit. It's a fact of nature that forests WILL burn and the more humans interfere with nature, the more unintended consequences we'll cause. There are plenty of natural ignition sources and forests are equipped to deal with relatively low intensity fires. Here's just one example: https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2019/02/25/wildfire...
Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
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The freedoms of collaboration over the Internet can taken away with: 1. widespread trusted computing (we're close) 2. banning encrypted comms over unregulated spectrums (done) 3. political will to ban such freedoms (growing) How can those that prefer such freedoms preserve them? Political activism can. Can censorship resistant tech help in that situation? Plausibly deniable mesh networks? Sneakernet?
I'm tired of "activism" to restore my freedoms. I've allowed politicians to get away with a lot of bullshit, but if they come after my PC and homelab, it's time to water the Tree of Liberty.
> I've allowed politicians to get away with a lot of bullshit, but if they come after my PC and homelab, it's time to water the Tree of Liberty.
Are we advocating for murder on this site now? Really?
Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
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I suspect it’s not quite right either, but two of those appliances (dryer, heating) are often powered by natural gas in the US (and on the East Coast, heating is done with “heating oil”).
Heating oil is generally used more in older installations. Where natural gas is available, we're using that instead now.
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Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
#157Just want to remind everyone how far California has gone in energy efficiency: > In 2018, California's energy consumption was second-highest among the states, but its per capita energy consumption was the fourth-lowest due in part to its mild climate and its energy efficiency programs. Source: https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=CA#tabs-4 This is an achievement to be proud of.
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Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
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Also, all states with humans living in them. If we're just gonna mention random facts.
Regulations are a political action. For political actions, it's not a "random fact" to mention which party is running politics.
Ice cream consumption does not cause drowning.
Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
#159Just want to remind everyone how far California has gone in energy efficiency: > In 2018, California's energy consumption was second-highest among the states, but its per capita energy consumption was the fourth-lowest due in part to its mild climate and its energy efficiency programs. Source: https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=CA#tabs-4 This is an achievement to be proud of.
> mild climate
When I visited Hawaii long ago, typical homes were not even sealed. There'd be a large gap between the top of the walls and the roof. The idea was to let the breeze blow through. The air temperature never varied enough to make it worth installing an HVAC system.
Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
#160Just want to remind everyone how far California has gone in energy efficiency: > In 2018, California's energy consumption was second-highest among the states, but its per capita energy consumption was the fourth-lowest due in part to its mild climate and its energy efficiency programs. Source: https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=CA#tabs-4 This is an achievement to be proud of.
>just want to remind everyone how far California has gone in energy efficiency
How can we know how far California has come when the citation only has a single point in time referenced? What was the per capita consumption before 2018?