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Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Post by gamblor956 »

gunapologist99 wrote: post #121
mattnewton wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds like the lobster seller was charged under the notoriously broad Lacy Act, which I have heard most often in arguments that is is impossible to be cognizant of everything that is illegal in the US, since this law roughly imports foreign laws. My understanding is it makes it a federal crime to trade in wildlife or plants that are illegal under the laws of a state, a Native American tribe, or any foreign law.…

And not just living plants, but also (quite dead) wood and products derived from wood, apparently especially if the CEO donated to the opposing political party (the GOP): https://humanevents.com/2014/05/30/the-true-villains-behind-...

Conspiracy theories aside, it has been illegal to import many varieties of wood into the U.S. and the EU for many years or even decades.

The CEO of Gibson knew that he was illegally importing wood, and did it anyway. His comparatively tiny donations to the GOP were irrelevant.

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Post by boomskats »

nyc_pizzadev wrote: post #42

Some details here: https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/pr/former-autonomy-cfo-sen... > The evidence at trial demonstrated that for more than two years prior to the sale, Hussain, 55, a citizen and resident of the United Kingdom, used sophisticated accounting methods to falsely inflate Autonomy’s revenues to make it appear Autonomy was growing when it really was not. Specifically, Hussain used backdated contracts, round…

This is a big deal if it's a public company, sale or no sale. The ex-CEO of CA served 8 years for seemingly doing a lot less[0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/35_day_month

Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Post by tailspin2019 »

C19is20 wrote: post #153
tailspin2019 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't usually like being too political, but as a brit I came here to say the same. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56246511

Where's the politics?

> Where's the politics?

In the seemingly lopsided extradition treaty between the US and the UK.

(Which I was hesitant to comment on directly simply because we risk veering away from the core focus of HN - which is arguably the technology angle of this story rather than UK/US extradition policies)

Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Post by nyc_pizzadev »

bartread wrote: post #145
nyc_pizzadev wrote: post #42

Some details here: https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/pr/former-autonomy-cfo-sen... > The evidence at trial demonstrated that for more than two years prior to the sale, Hussain, 55, a citizen and resident of the United Kingdom, used sophisticated accounting methods to falsely inflate Autonomy’s revenues to make it appear Autonomy was growing when it really was not. Specifically, Hussain used backdated contracts, round…

> channel stuffing I'm slightly confused, and forgive my ignorance: how do you channel stuff software ? I mean, granted this is 2009 - 2011, but even back then were Autonomy really selling software as a physically packaged good, or is there some way that virtual goods can be channel stuffed? (E.g., selling a shedload of license keys to resellers, many of which remain unsold to end users? Would that be something that…

I am a bit familiar with Autonomy, but I don’t know the exact specifics. They were in the software license business, so if I were to speculate, they would get a new channel partner and then forward them 250 server licenses, book the full revenue during that quarter, and then the partner has to sell all the licenses. But that could possibly take years. Repeat with a handful of fresh partners and you could book a significant amount of revenue growth. Given Autonomy had access to huge amounts of credit, money could have been fronted and exchanged to make these transactions look very legitimate and this could have been lucrative for the partner.

The roundtripping is not very clear. Maybe the same thing thru one of their acquisition companies?

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Post by rjsw »

argonaut wrote: post #122
anonymousDan wrote: post #89

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Yes - my understanding is she was the wife of a spoon and didn't have diplomatic immunity? I agree perhaps there is more to it, but still it leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

There are conflicting reports on her diplomatic immunity and whether she was still employed as a spy (she was definitely employed by the US govt at the time, and as a spy in the past). So it's not as simple as saying she didn't have it or she lied about it. Looks to me like a complicated legal matter. At least the US State Dept position is that she did have diplomatic immunity.

And if she was still a spy that should have been declared to the UK.

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Post by pkaye »

trasz wrote: post #102
throwawaycuriou wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a US resident, if I rolled a large boulder downhill and fatally crushed a small child across the Mexican or Canadian border, would I be liable to extradition?

I’m guessing not, as the general rule is that US doesn’t extradite it’s citizens.

The US does extradite to other countries depending on treaties. Recently there was two to Japan.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/13/business/carlos-ghosn-esc...

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Post by pkaye »

mjw1007 wrote: post #111
throwawaycuriou wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a US resident, if I rolled a large boulder downhill and fatally crushed a small child across the Mexican or Canadian border, would I be liable to extradition?

There have been cases of US citizens literally shooting and killing Mexican children over the border, and extradition was refused. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hernandez_v._Mesa

That is because the shooter was a border patrol agent and they get qualified immunity.

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Post by dfadsadsf »

stormdennis wrote: post #61

America shouldn't be allowed to extradite and prosecute people who have not committed crimes in America. They'd never allow it in reverse. Also the justice system there doesn't inspire confidence.

Japan just convicted two people that helped Ghosn escape to Lebanon. They were extradited from US.

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Post by favorited »

dfadsadsf wrote: post #159
stormdennis wrote: post #61

America shouldn't be allowed to extradite and prosecute people who have not committed crimes in America. They'd never allow it in reverse. Also the justice system there doesn't inspire confidence.

Japan just convicted two people that helped Ghosn escape to Lebanon. They were extradited from US.

For a crime they committed in Japan.
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