Live data from Hacker News

Google Internal Comics

goomics.net

151–160 of 227 posts

Re: Google Internal Comics

#151
post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Complaining at a high level. People with 3 kids make do with jobs at Walmart and McD. "Pay is good enough" yeah sure.

> People with 3 kids make do with jobs at Walmart and McD. Very difficult in the Bay Area given the housing costs. I guess it's possible if you lucked into a below market rate apartment and qualify for government assistance like Medicaid and food stamps.

You are saying that all Walmarts and McDs in the Bay Area are staffed with people who have a 3 hour commute?

Re: Google Internal Comics

#153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counterpoint: At a top company like Google, full of some of the most talented people in the world, there simply won't be enough promotions to go around. And yet, an "average" performer who is happy to build, scale, maintain, and not re-launch a new chat product every 5 years should be rewarded and encouraged to stay and not leave to a competitor. How do you do it? You have to create intrinsic motivation. Twist: You c…

IIRC (don't work at Google myself, but friends do) - you start out of college as an L3 and are expected to make promo twice to L4 and then L5. Once at L5 it's okay to just stay there and do good work, the pay is still really good and you're not expected to go beyond that unless you want to (and you're capable of it). The main issue I've heard is that to go from L3 -> L5 there are incentives around 'impact' and launch…

There's a difference between "make sense" and "can be explained".

Re: Google Internal Comics

#155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counterpoint: At a top company like Google, full of some of the most talented people in the world, there simply won't be enough promotions to go around. And yet, an "average" performer who is happy to build, scale, maintain, and not re-launch a new chat product every 5 years should be rewarded and encouraged to stay and not leave to a competitor. How do you do it? You have to create intrinsic motivation. Twist: You c…

A promotion isn't always good. It comes with responsibilities and you might suddenly spend a lot more time at the company. And not all work is high reaching technical work, much of it is pure interpersonal shit, adhering to formal processes that drive you crazy and justifying yourself against your superiors. If you like to face hard technical problems, don't rise too high...

At Sun, they would promote privileged executive losers they wanted to get rid of up to "Vice President In Charge of Looking for a New Job".

I think they got that technique from Apple, but optimized it by promoting them directly, instead of giving them a task force to head:

https://books.google.nl/books?id=0DHnCxjX_t8C&pg=PA85&lpg=PA...

>West of Eden: The End of Innocence at Apple Computer, by By Frank Rose, page 85, Package Goods

>[...] Who knew what any of it meant? Certainly not Sculley; this stuff had about as much to do with the prehistoric electronics he'd dabbled in as a kid as it did with soft drinks and potato chips. But he was running a computer company, so he'd better know. He spent hour after hour with Steve going over the basics. By the end of April his speech was peppered with jargon. Convincing people he knew what he was saying took longer.

>On organizational issues, he was able to look more decisive, in part because Markkula had left him so much to do. He didn't say much -- he wasn't warm or friendly or outgoing -- but he did listen, silently, and when he made a move it was invariably a quick one. His first move was to fire John Vennard -- no great shock, since Steve had been demanding his head since February. Vennard was in Japan, working with Alps to fix a problem on a new disk drive for the Apple III, when Scully summoned him back to get the ax. Then he got rid of Wil Houde, who'd been running the Apple II division until the previous fall, when Markkula had decided to replace him and, unable to decide between the division's marketing director and its engineering director, had put them both in charge. Houde had been named to head a special task force to look into ways of streamlining the company. His task force was already streamlined: He was the only one on it. Everyone knew that heading a task force at Apple was like being named vice-president in charge of looking for a new job. Sculley was merely completing the process.

Re: Google Internal Comics

#158
post #13

I'm not saying this with the intent of harshly criticizing the author, but I admit it's surprising to me that someone (who had other options) would work for 14 years at a company they clearly came to believe was making the world a worse place.

As it happens, the author left the company two days ago.

The point made was "why work there for so long?"

Re: Google Internal Comics

#160
post #87
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

public broadcasting? you mean state sanctionned propaganda disguised as news?

I'm curious what country you're from to have that point of view. In the US the public radio is extremely clearly not a state sanctioned propaganda; some of the corresponding private news corps are much more.

Not the person you're responding to, but...

I live in the UK, and the BBC is definitely propaganda.

I also agree with you that private broadcasters can definitely be worse.

OTOH, it's a vicious circle: you cannot fix society without fixing propaganda, and if the propaganda is any good, you cannot fix propaganda without fixing society (most people will lend an ear to it, believe it, parrot it, support it, work for it, etc.)... so we just have to learn to live with it :/

Post reply on HN