Video tutorials now on PeerTube • Hacker News Board

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by rchaud » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 5:13 PM UTC

Crash0v3rid3 wrote: post #116

rchaud wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the platform must be financed somehow. However, that 'somehow' didn't seem to be an issue for 15 years. A video series about parametric 2d/3d CAD is not going to do Logan Paul numbers, so what merit is there to jam ads into it anyway?

> However, that 'somehow' didn't seem to be an issue for 15 years. It has absolutely been an issue. If you listen in on the earnings call, shareholders have been asking for YouTube revenue for years. Google has to show it can be a profitable business.

Asking about revenue is not the same as asking about profit. In any case, the 80-20 principle still applies. Monetizing already successful content categories will deliver far more profit than long-tail niche content that far fewer people see.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by rchaud » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 5:14 PM UTC

EugeneG wrote: post #92

rchaud wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the platform must be financed somehow. However, that 'somehow' didn't seem to be an issue for 15 years. A video series about parametric 2d/3d CAD is not going to do Logan Paul numbers, so what merit is there to jam ads into it anyway?

Don’t like them, don’t watch/upload. Just like he did. They can put in as many ads as they want, and those who are bothered can refuse to watch.

I'll just keep using Ublock, thanks.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by max46 » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 5:15 PM UTC

ghaff wrote: post #83

dilap wrote: post #41

Andrew Kelley of Zig also moved away from YouTube because of forced ads ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjz6xNO63mI ) YouTube is an amazing collection of knowledge, but it's unfortunate that it's in the hands of an entity whose primary goal and motivation is avarice. A degradation of the experience over time seems inevitable. How to organize human endeavors in a way that captures the innovation and superbly focused…

Consumers need to be able and willing to pay money rather than renting their eyeballs. (And creators need to be willing to pay for hosting/discovery.) If YouTube could make more money as a gated subscription site that charged for uploads and, say, $100/year to access, they'd be more than happy to do so.

It's called Youtube Premium and the vast majority of people of the internet made it very clear they will never pay for it even if the ads are driving them crazy.

Youtubers also get far more money from premium views than normal views.

Ironically, most of the complains people have with youtube are derived directly or indirectly from the fact that the platform is ad-supported. Youtube doesn't care that your video is offensive, but advertisers do. Every demonetization wave was preceded by a mass of people putting pressure on them (eg. NYT "journalists" literally searching for isis videos, taking screenshots and telling the companies with ads next to them that they will be listed in their article if they don't stop doing business with youtube)

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by Zababa » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 5:18 PM UTC

fabianhjr wrote: post #23

I use IPFS and host my media (mainly photography) on my domain. (With cloudflare as a IPFS gateway in case a visitor doesn't use IPFS) Hosting cost: $0. Some details: https://fabian.social/posts/2020-11-07-ipfs-blogging.html Example: https://fabian.social/photography/2021-01-15-incidentes-vial...

That's a good example. I've visited a few IPFS websites and they were terribly slow to load, but yours was as fast as a regular blog.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by ergot_vacation » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 5:22 PM UTC

RL_Quine wrote: post #6

It's pretty hard to imagine what people think they gain by "switching" to PeerTube. Beyond idealism, there's not a whole lot going for the platform technically; it isn't peer to peer meaningfully. It would be better to just claim you are paying to self host your videos, which is what the author is doing.

I think Peertube is "marketed" in the wrong way, perhaps inescapably. Making a simple video-hosting platform is going to invite comparisons to Youtube, but Frama is very clear they don't see themselves that way. Peertube is NOT an alternative to Youtube, and it can't be with the tiny team working on it.

However, it does have one edge-case use that's come up a few times. If you have a few bucks, moderate technical knowledge, and just need a way to put 20 or 30 videos online in a form that's easy to link to and navigate for the non-technical, Peertube can be a handy tool. In the past you might say "Why not Youtube?", but Youtube has become increasingly obnoxious to use for simple "throwaway" cases. What's the alternative? Tossing the files up on a shady site like Mega? Running an FTP server or hosting a torrent? Youtube used to be a no-brainer for something like this, but there are so many techno-bureaucratic gotchas now that an alternative just might be worth it. There's zero discoverability, no ad revenue, and you have to deal with hosting and security, but at least Peertube is a ready-made package that mostly "just works."

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by aequitas » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 5:25 PM UTC

benrbray wrote: post #27

wussboy wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably approaching zero. But how are people going to find you. That's the problem YouTube solves.

We've got good old-fashioned RSS and blogrolls!

That's not how people find you, that how people keep up to date once they have found you.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 5:27 PM UTC

max46 wrote: post #153

ghaff wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consumers need to be able and willing to pay money rather than renting their eyeballs. (And creators need to be willing to pay for hosting/discovery.) If YouTube could make more money as a gated subscription site that charged for uploads and, say, $100/year to access, they'd be more than happy to do so.

It's called Youtube Premium and the vast majority of people of the internet made it very clear they will never pay for it even if the ads are driving them crazy. Youtubers also get far more money from premium views than normal views. Ironically, most of the complains people have with youtube are derived directly or indirectly from the fact that the platform is ad-supported. Youtube doesn't care that your video is off…

I'm torn, because on the one hand, yes, YT ~deserves to get paid for their product. On the other hand, as a user, it feels like they intentionally made the free tier worse - more ads, removing features - to try and get people to pay, which makes me want to avoid giving them money. It feels like rewarding them for solving a problem that they artificially created.

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by Chris2048 » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 5:27 PM UTC

Crash0v3rid3 wrote: post #149

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #132

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I hate YouTube ads and do my best to block them where I can, but let’s not forget that YouTube is serving a billion hours of video a day, which costs. If you don’t want ads to appear on your videos, you can host the videos on your own website and pay for the data or use another video service. Neither are likely to give the streaming performance or audience you’d get with YouTube.

> I hate YouTube ads and do my best to block them where I can, but let’s not forget that YouTube is serving a billion hours of video a day, which costs. You understand the costs involved to serve billions of hours of video a day yet still block the ads used to help sustain the site? Why not pay for premium?

What are the costs involved in hosting for a single 10 minute 720p video?

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by Chris2048 » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 5:29 PM UTC

ghaff wrote: post #83

dilap wrote: post #41

Andrew Kelley of Zig also moved away from YouTube because of forced ads ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjz6xNO63mI ) YouTube is an amazing collection of knowledge, but it's unfortunate that it's in the hands of an entity whose primary goal and motivation is avarice. A degradation of the experience over time seems inevitable. How to organize human endeavors in a way that captures the innovation and superbly focused…

Consumers need to be able and willing to pay money rather than renting their eyeballs. (And creators need to be willing to pay for hosting/discovery.) If YouTube could make more money as a gated subscription site that charged for uploads and, say, $100/year to access, they'd be more than happy to do so.

> say, $100/year

How much of that is hosting, and how much is content?

Re: Video tutorials now on PeerTube

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Post by Chris2048 » Thu, Jul 08, 2021, 5:31 PM UTC

max46 wrote: post #153

ghaff wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consumers need to be able and willing to pay money rather than renting their eyeballs. (And creators need to be willing to pay for hosting/discovery.) If YouTube could make more money as a gated subscription site that charged for uploads and, say, $100/year to access, they'd be more than happy to do so.

It's called Youtube Premium and the vast majority of people of the internet made it very clear they will never pay for it even if the ads are driving them crazy. Youtubers also get far more money from premium views than normal views. Ironically, most of the complains people have with youtube are derived directly or indirectly from the fact that the platform is ad-supported. Youtube doesn't care that your video is off…

If YT demonetizes you, do you still get money from premium viewers?