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Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by jussij »

young_unixer wrote: post #83
apatheticonion wrote: post #32

I'm genuinely shocked at how many of my colleagues are in the anti-vaxx club. Literally half of my team have said they will not get the vaccine when it's available to them. One citing a podcast which talked about how the vaccine causes programmed cell death and the other because "it's all a bit suspicious". Great guys, intelligent and generally good to be around. I didn't know how to react when I found out.

What's your definition of anti-vaxx? To me, anti-vaxx means someone who is positively against vaccines, as in "vaccines give people X, so people shouldn't get vaccines", where X is some undesirable condition, autism, thrombosis, etc. Being skeptic, but not against vaccines is not anti-vaxx. If someone says "I don't know if vaccines are safe", I don't think that's an anti-vaxx stance. In fact, if you don't know about…

We know flying is 'not safe' yet we still fly, we know cars are 'not safe' we still drive.

In raw numbers, the vaccines are many times safer than flying or driving, yet there still remains this irrational response to the vaccine.

In reality, people scared of the vaccine should really be more concerned about the many other things found in their day to day life that have a better chance of killing them.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by wombatpm »

thedrbrian wrote: post #124
apatheticonion wrote: post #32

I'm genuinely shocked at how many of my colleagues are in the anti-vaxx club. Literally half of my team have said they will not get the vaccine when it's available to them. One citing a podcast which talked about how the vaccine causes programmed cell death and the other because "it's all a bit suspicious". Great guys, intelligent and generally good to be around. I didn't know how to react when I found out.

Depends how old they are if it’s even worth having Here’s a table of deaths from the last 14 months https://i.imgur.com/zi17EGC.jpg And then there’s the immunity through exposure https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.07.21256823v... https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v... Hell even in this thread someone has tried the won’t someone think of the children outrage by talking about sprea…

We do not know the long term effects of mild COVID in children at this time. Hell we don’t know the long term effects of COVID in adults.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by ViViDboarder »

betwixthewires wrote: post #71
schwartzworld wrote: post #18

Story time: My daughters day care has 2 fulltime employees and a part timer. The fulltime staff are vaxxed, the part-time person isn't, despite having been eligible for a loooooong time. Well, guess who got an asymptomatic covid infection, and then went on to spread it to her entire family, including her infant granddaughter. Luckily, the person who infected her got tested and let her know in time for her to not infe…

Selfish how? You can still carry and transmit the virus with the vaccine. You would've all still caught it whether she was vaccinated or not. Of course, if you're all vaccinated it doesn't matter either way.

If you’re vaccinated you’re less likely to even catch and, therefore, carry and transmit the virus though.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by menomatter »

booblik wrote: post #22
markiyan wrote: post #19

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/cdc-heart-inflammation-case...

This is just proving that even the slightest suspicion of a semiserious side effect is being thoroughly investigated, as opposed to the anti-vaxer propaganda claims.

Yeah - I got the vaccine and my sides effect after the 2nd dose were too much .. lasted about a week. I am not anti vaxer but I'm going to think hard before I take it again. As for the heart issues being investigated, for the young and healthy, which carried more risk, covid or the vaccine?

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by beprogrammed »

chrisseaton wrote: post #61
jiggawatts wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people prefer to be lied to by someone pleasant than have their stupidity accurately and bluntly laid bare. That's the short of it. I've never seen a Linus rant be a personal attack. Every time, he's pointing out that someone who ought to know better is being dangerously stupid to the detriment of a great many others. Some people take offence at this -- even if they're not the target of Linus' ire -- because the…

> I've never seen a Linus rant be a personal attack. He called for someone to be 'retroactively aborted'. > they mistakenly believe that everyone has the right to be treated nicely Everyone should have the right to be treated reasonably nicely, even if they misbehave, unless there's some kind of threat to life or some other extreme that obviously never comes up in the context of software development.

> He called for someone to be 'retroactively aborted'.

Oof, if I was that person I'd be taking a good hard look at myself, he's rarely wrong.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by effie »

grecy wrote: post #39
LatteLazy wrote: post #2

Unpopular opinion: watching people struggle and fail or just plain refuse to engage with covid (wear a mask, socially distance, get a vaccine) has really shaken my faith in democracy. I was worried after Trumps election in 2016. But it's not a one-off phenomenon. People just behave randomly, they don't calculate risk, they don't care about facts, they're not even able to be self interested as far as I can tell. Just…

I agree 100% and it's quite scary. We've moved past the "information age" where facts and science and raw data are used to drive decisions, and we're in some kind of "selfish wants" age. I don't know if it's a problem with democracy though - we've known for a long time now if you let regular folk vote on it a huge number would vote for absolutely zero tax and society would fall apart because of it, but they'd go down…

Those are quite some assumptions you make there.

When did we ever live in age where "facts and science and raw data are used to drive decisions" ? I don't know of such age. Both West and East are driven by ideologies and powerful people whims for a long time.

> zero tax and society would fall apart because of it

How do you know this? Society is a very general concept, why would it fall apart just because of different economics? Instead of taxes, the government could just print more money, or we could completely change the government so it works on donations instead of taxes. It is hard to predict what would happen, society falling apart is one of them, but not the only one. Structural change of society does not mean it has to fall apart.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by decremental »

igetspam wrote: post #102
decremental wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like they say, "my body, my choice."

Two problems: 1. You can't use that defense in one situation and ignore it in another 2. The thing you're mocking (abortion) has individual consequences, where the thing you're arguing against (vaccination) has community consequences If you are the only viable human victim of the decision, then it is your body and your choice. But just like being a suicide bomber, it's the victims around you that have to be considere…

Abortion is murder. It's an individual's choice to take the life of another. It has a direct and immediate consequence unlike the theoretical consequence of not taking the Covid vaccine. At any rate, you can't have your cake and eat it too. If you are someone who advocates for abortion then you abdicate your moral standing on getting vaccinated.

And I would say 1 million murdered babies every year has a much more profound impact on our society and civilization than some people getting sick.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by Xunjin »

siloamx wrote: post #109

Dear Linus, you're not a doctor. Coronaviruses are known from about 70-ties. They cause about 40‰ illness cases similar to flu. It is a known fact. It is also known fact they can easily attack their previous host too. That's why no coronavirus vaccines were injected since 70-ties. Technology barrier was not the issuse. There were also no vacciness during SARS and MERS. It is also known fact that about 80% of people h…

No sign of illness doesn't mean can't mutate/evolve, also it's not about only stoping the viruses to spread, it's all about saving lives from the 10ish% whom develop mild to severe symptoms.

Seriously, how can you deny the numbers ?!

In my country, Brazil, lost almost 500k lives... I'm not even doing the math about indirect deaths because our health system is on the edge since the beginning of this pandemic.

As a person who have relatives that work on the public health, stop being this naive and stupid.

PS: I'm sorry HN guidelines/rules.

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Post by alisonkisk »

vacjrj wrote: post #94
COGlory wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many documented cases of mass, true altruism are there, out of curiosity? I'm in agreeance that people should get the vaccine, but I'm under no illusion that for a normal (selfish) person, the cost-benefit is a little wonky.

Again, I’ll be altruistic once I have recourse. Why must I waive my legal rights?

You can't sue anyone if you get the coronavirus either, and thats >1000x more likely.

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Post by textgel »

51Cards wrote: post #145
textgel wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So still very much transmissible.

Do you step out of your house at all? Because if so, you could be hit by a bus. It's statistically possible, right? Best not do anything if you aren't able to understand relative odds. It lowers risk. Just like you do when you put on a seatbelt in your car.

You're still putting others at risk, that's someones family for gods sake. Stop being selfish and stay inside.
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