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Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

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Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

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Don't forget that the country that started to divert planes to catch democrat dissidents was the United States. But Snowden wasn't in the plane. Details here: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/as-anger-toward-belarus-mou...

The whataboutism is exhausting.

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

#152

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Citation please?

Not hard, but can read CNN here: https://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/02/world/americas/bolivia-pr... The irony of using CNN as a cite though... :)

AFAIK, countries may lawfully deny entry to their airspace. If the outcome is that an aeroplane has to divert its route, well, tough luck. Those countries played their cards.

To be a comparable case two conditions should be met, namely that a) the bomb threat is real, and b) landing in Minsk the most rational decision.

If both a) and b) are real, well, everything was lawfully managed and the blogger just had bad luck. But if they aren't, no it's not the same case at all.

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

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No carelessness, that's exactly what they were told to do: shoot down everything that flies. That was their explicit order.

Do you have a source for that? The official investigation concluded it was a mistake by poorly trained soldiers who thought they were downing a military An-26 plane. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17

Sources are in Russian. Russian separatists told shortly after the incident:

"В районе Тореза только что сбили самолет Ан-26, валяется где-то за шахтой Прогресс. Предупреждали же - не летать в "нашем небе". А вот и видео-подтверждение очередного "птичкопада". Птичка упала за террикон, жилой сектор не зацепила. Мирные люди не пострадали. А также еще есть информация о втором сбитом самолете, вроде бы Су", - говорится в сообщении Стрелкова.

"In the area of Torez, an An-26 plane has just been shot down, lying somewhere behind the Progress mine. We warned not to fly in our sky. And here is a video confirmation of the next birdfall. Civilians were not injured. And there is also information about the second downed plane, like Su, "- said in the message of Strelkov.

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

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> Pilot: Again, this recommendation to divert to Minsk where did it come from? Where did it come from? Company? Did it come from departure airport authorities or arrival airport authorities? Is it usual for a pilot to ask for all this information? From a "casual reader" perspective, it looks like the pilot really did not want to divert, but this might just be my reading.

Definitely not usual. As for the pilot being suspicious, I agree. The plane was also only about 30 km (=2-3 min flying time) from the Lithuanian border. Imagine if the pilot had decided to make the attempt. A Belarusian MiG violating NATO airspace?

I beg to differ. Controllers are not ultimately responsible for the safety of a plane and its passengers. The pilots not only had a right but IMO a duty to make sure they understood the situation and the request before making any decision to divert.

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

#155

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Also, when you look at the flight path, the Minsk airport was MUCH further from the Vilnius airport they intended to land at. They were almost to their destination and ALMOST out of Belarus airspace.

A read of the article will clear up this mystery for you.

No it doesn't. Please tell me what part of the article clears this up besides perhaps the previously reported fighter jet.

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

#156
post #60

Don't forget that the country that started to divert planes to catch democrat dissidents was the United States. But Snowden wasn't in the plane. Details here: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/as-anger-toward-belarus-mou...

It is asinine to compare the two situations. Greenwald is wrongly equating the two together for his puppeteers. 1) Snowden had already been charged at that point and was running from the law. Morales's plane was diverted because it was believed to be providing passage to a criminal. While I don't know what Snowden did was right or wrong, it is clear that Snowden broke laws. His intentions might have been good but he…

Morales was the President of Bolivia. Thought experiment -- if a country like China or Brazil forced Air Force One down to search, how do you think the Americans would react?

It was really rather close to an act of war. There's a reason the Austrians rushed their president out of bed to go have tea with Morales while he waited.

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

#157
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Russian airforces regularly violates NATO airspace in Norway. They never get any consequences for it, so why wouldn't they?

Would love some sources on that, because that would be a big issue. Russians regularly fly in international airspace along the Norwegian coast and are intercepted there by Norwegian fighters, but I have never heard about them actually violating Norwegian airspace. This is the closest I know of: https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2019/02/11-russia...

It's happened a couple of times to Sweden which while not in NATO is in EU (and is generally considered a close ally to NATO).

Sources in Swedish:

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/tre-ryska-militarflygplan...

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/expressen-ryskt-stridsfly...

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

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For people casually interested in this. What is PIC?

Pilot In Command. On a commercial flight there are at least two pilots, and possibly three.

To be more precise, it's the designation of the pilot who is responsible for the plane, who may or may not be the pilot who is currently physically flying the plane.

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

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That would be interesting. Not sure the airline has one, the CVR normally records only the last two hours IIRC.

Is there no save button when something substancial happens?

You'd think that squaking 7700 would immediately put the recorders into write-only mode.

Re: Transcript of controller telling plane to land in Minsk

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A read of the article will clear up this mystery for you.

No it doesn't. Please tell me what part of the article clears this up besides perhaps the previously reported fighter jet.

The first sentence the controller said explains why the pilot wasn't supposed to land at the Vilnius airport. I want to avoid quoting the line for fear of my account being flagged in government systems.
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