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Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5

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Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5

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Post by SCHiM »

gregoriol wrote: post #144
bogwog wrote: post #133

I'm curious about the 4% of users who enabled it. Did they get tricked into doing so? Was it an accident? Or do some people out there really genuinely want to be tracked?

Probably people working in the ads industry or facebook or amazon... makes quite a lot of people! Joke aside, I believe most people don't understand what this iOS popup wants from them: for most average users, it's another annoying popup that their device shows them and they don't really know what it means or what option they should choose (like the location ones, networking ones, bluetooth, ...). It happens a lot wi…

The user most definitively has to know these things. Your argument is a race to the bottom I think.

We will end up with devices where the user has to know nothing, cannot do anything and is lazy and easily led.

Just as moving yourself around on a bike is healthier than planting your ass in your car, so is thinking for yourself and _once_ in your life taking the time to figure out what that whole location sharing thing actually means.

Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5

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Post by simondotau »

libertine wrote: post #121
8fingerlouie wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I’m sure Apple collects ample (pseudo anonymous) data from their respective stores about patterns, they actually don’t gather that much data about you. For a long time they’ve had an “on device” policy to handling data. Buy a new phone and your frequently visited locations list is empty. Most of their AI stuff only lives on your device. Of course there are limits to what can be handled on your device, but they’…

I do agree with you that it's part of Apple new positioning, that they are a privacy first company, yet I think you missed my point: I'm talking about consent. When you said: >While I’m sure Apple collects ample (pseudo anonymous) data from their respective stores about patterns, they actually don’t gather that much data about you. I don't doubt it, what I meant is that even for that there's no explicit consent in th…

> everyone should play by the same rules

Apple's apps have never done what the App Tracking policy stops App developers from doing. To be clear, this new policy is not about apps tracking their own customers—that's always going to happen. This policy is designed to stop companies like Facebook from tracking your activity across multiple apps on your device.

> you might have apps that collected even less data then Apple, and they are still subject the user consent message.

The consent requirement has got nothing to do with how much data they're collecting about you, rather with what they're doing with the data that has been collected.

> I can see from the downvotes that this is not a popular opinion

The downvotes are not because your opinion is unpopular, it's because your opinion is grounded in the aforementioned misunderstandings.

Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5

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Post by srswtf123 »

f6v wrote: post #70
the_snooze wrote: post #12

>The challenge for personalized ads market will be significant if the first two weeks end up reflecting a long-term trend. Adtech is basically highly-paid people sniffing your underwear trying to figure out what you had for breakfast. And they get all indignant when you say "hey cut it out, that's kind of weird."

I think the users have brought it on themselves. Almost everyone wants free content, more, more of it! Just say: “You know what? I’m not gonna watch these cat videos on YouTube cause there’s an outrageous number of ads!” Or (and I’m going to sound crazy) we could skip scrolling Instagram and just read a book or take a walk when we need to unwind. Google search is harder to escape, of course.

> Google search is harder to escape, of course.

Try Duckduckgo.com?

Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5

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Post by zepto »

gregoriol wrote: post #144
bogwog wrote: post #133

I'm curious about the 4% of users who enabled it. Did they get tricked into doing so? Was it an accident? Or do some people out there really genuinely want to be tracked?

Probably people working in the ads industry or facebook or amazon... makes quite a lot of people! Joke aside, I believe most people don't understand what this iOS popup wants from them: for most average users, it's another annoying popup that their device shows them and they don't really know what it means or what option they should choose (like the location ones, networking ones, bluetooth, ...). It happens a lot wi…

> I believe these choices should be handled by Apple through the store and not by the users: if the app is doing something shady with ads or location, the app should be disabled before it reaches the user's device; the user shouldn't have to "know" those things, the user has no way to check…

They do screen out nefarious tracking to the extent that they can detect it.

This choice is about consensual tracking.

I think users ultimately do have to know something about these things.

Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5

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Post by yborg »

justapassenger wrote: post #68

What a surprise. If I tell people going to the store that they choose to pay for the products, or not, a lot of people will choose not to. Who would guess that people like free stuff? Apple is disrupting whole economy for apps. It’s a very broken economy, with lots of questionable practices, that’s for sure. But we’ll see if it’ll be net benefit for customers. For sure for Apple, as more apps will have to move to be…

>disrupting whole economy for apps

Citation needed. Somehow there was an app economy before the rise of massive data aggregation.

It's going to slightly impact the people profiting from the mass surveillance economy until they figure out how to get around it. This does nothing to impact the vast input feeds of location and traffic data from mobile carriers and ISPs, transaction data from purchases, etc. It basically forces those wanting to market to customers using Apple devices to remove the cameras from their customers' bathrooms and figure out another way to discover they are out of toilet paper. The pissing and moaning is because the industry basically was able to use the laziest possible implementation to get this information, now they will have to do a little more work.

Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5

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Post by dwighttk »

sciprojguy wrote: post #55
arielm wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haha. I totally get that. But… I don’t think that popup was designed to get the HN folk to opt in but rather those that use Facebook (and Instagram, which has the same language) to communicate actively. It’s really the pre-prompt I’m referring to here, which, as one of its bullet points for why you should opt in, says it helps keep Facebook free. That’s a big statement to drop in a tiny bullet point, which makes me f…

I flatly refuse to have the Facebook app on any of my devices, and if they start charging to use it I'll happily delete my account.

Same

Only still have an account because my mom blogs on Facebook

Re: Analytics suggest 96% of users leave app tracking disabled in iOS 14.5

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Post by [deleted] »

woeirua wrote: post #147

I think this speaks to the power of defaults. 96% of users have not turned this on because they didn't even know that its disabled, and when an app asks you if they can track you, the response is going to be a strong no. The reality is that FB's entire business model has been predicated on the default being that tracking is allowed. If this holds, this will be cataclysmic for FB. You can't have a huge portion of your…

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