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Re: Leaked phone number of Mark Zuckerberg reveals he is on Signal

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Post by 908B64B197 »

deadmutex wrote: post #13
todd3834 wrote: post #9

Is it really surprising that he would have all of the most popular messaging apps? Facebook’s playbook of copying popular features from apps gaining traction is by no means a secret. I’m not totally convinced by the narrative that Mark doesn’t trust his own tools so he prefers Signal.

Yeah, it is likely that he was just checking up on the competition. I wouldn't be surprised if turned the narrative on this by saying something like the following: "I was curious to check it out.. it wasn't very good, so I reverted back to Messenger/Whatsapp." IIRC, he made similar comments when he was spotted using G+. Disclaimer: My views are my own (and not necessarily shared by my employers).

What are the odds that Zuckerberg knows a lot of people in the tech business and some of them are Signal users?

Re: Leaked phone number of Mark Zuckerberg reveals he is on Signal

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Post by 908B64B197 »

khalilravanna wrote: post #122
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #61

How dare you suggest Mark Zuckerberg is a hypocrite after said "Privacy is no longer a social norm", and then bought all houses surrounding his one. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jan/11/facebook-... https://www.businessinsider.com/mark-zuckerberg-buys-4-homes...

“Zuckerberg reportedly took action after he learned that a developer wanted to purchase one of his neighbor's homes and use the fact that Zuckerberg lived close by as a marketing tactic. ... Zuckerberg will lease the four homes he just bought back to its current residents.” Not sure how this paints Zuckerberg in a bad light. The bad guy seems to be the developer who was going to use his fame to advertise, thus exposi…

> after he learned that a developer wanted to purchase one of his neighbor's homes and use the fact that Zuckerberg lived close by as a marketing tactic

That's just... creepy from the developer.

Also how is living next to Mark Zuckerberg a perk? Unless you want to build an illegally zoned Startup Incubator focused on IoT and the main acquirer you're targeting happens to live next door and notices your product everyday...

Re: Leaked phone number of Mark Zuckerberg reveals he is on Signal

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Post by pulkitanand »

Daviey wrote: post #53
decrypt wrote: post #45

I sent Mark a message yesterday on Signal. It was "delivered" but not "read", obviously. Today, I don't see that contact as a Signal user anymore. I see a "Invite to Signal" button on that conversation view. Guess he deleted the account?

It was me that originally shared he had a Signal account. But I didn't send him a message, because frankly - I had nothing to say to him. I am curious, what did send to him? Also, do you often send messages to people you don't know via chat apps linked to phone numbers?

> Also, do you often send messages to people you don't know via chat apps linked to phone numbers?

Haha, thanks for the chuckle.

Re: Leaked phone number of Mark Zuckerberg reveals he is on Signal

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

greggturkington wrote: post #147
MichaelMcG wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man, you're reading too far into my comment. I was just saying the sentence reads like: A wealthy individual (WI) coming to his neighbors. WI: "I'm worried your homes might be bought by individuals that affect my privacy, I know you don't intend to move, so let's make a deal that you can still live here and pay rent." Neighbors: "Ok" Random YC Comment: "(WI) left them in their homes, rather than reneging on his deal…

In this case a capitalist put in an offer to purchase homes, the owners accepted the offer. They didn't risk being "cast out." They were offered a lease agreement, and they accepted this offer. They were not "left" there.

Some people sold themselves into slavery, i.e. became slaves willingly, and were bought by a capitalist.

The idea that capitalism guarantees liberty is dangerous and absurd.

Re: Leaked phone number of Mark Zuckerberg reveals he is on Signal

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Post by greggturkington »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #154
greggturkington wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case a capitalist put in an offer to purchase homes, the owners accepted the offer. They didn't risk being "cast out." They were offered a lease agreement, and they accepted this offer. They were not "left" there.

Some people sold themselves into slavery, i.e. became slaves willingly, and were bought by a capitalist. The idea that capitalism guarantees liberty is dangerous and absurd.

They didn't risk being "cast out," they were not "left" there.

Re: Leaked phone number of Mark Zuckerberg reveals he is on Signal

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Post by greggturkington »

permo-w wrote: post #145
greggturkington wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the transfer of state-owned assets to oligarchs is the significantly comparable as buying four houses and renting them to their owners? Do you even know what happened after the fall of the Soviet Union?

I mean this non-rhetorically: are you joking?

> I mean this non-rhetorically [sic]: are you joking?

You think that I'm joking about Zuckerberg being a poor comparison to those specific oligarchs?

I mean this unrhetorically, what part of my comment could you possibly misinterpret so horribly?

Re: Leaked phone number of Mark Zuckerberg reveals he is on Signal

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Post by uoaei »

Bancakes wrote: post #24
uoaei wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what I asked. Generally laypeople are not going to be good judges of whether or not an encryption protocol is sufficiently secure. Has it been audited by security researchers ?

You're assuming it takes considerable skill to fuzz an algorithm or look for back doors and easter eggs? To answer your question, I don't know if Wire's been audited by paid researchers. I personally prefer a customer-exposed product whose each commit you can look up rather than the remote promise of security in a locked and hidden program.

It is not impossible to create code which looks like it does one thing while simultaneously doing ya-mother.

http://underhanded-c.org/

Re: Leaked phone number of Mark Zuckerberg reveals he is on Signal

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Post by uoaei »

7a1c9427 wrote: post #81
lxgr wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GP is probably referring to this: https://boelter.blog/2016/04/whats-app-retransmission-vulner...

I think that is a very charitable assumption about the GP claim. The linked article describes a very specific implementation vulnerability around handling of offline messages that would appear to be routed in user experience being ranked higher than operational security by WhatsApp (understandably). In this case it also does notify the user once they are online, and the original phone is logged out alerting the compr…

> I think that is a very charitable assumption about the GP claim. The linked article describes a very specific implementation vulnerability around handling of offline messages that would appear to be routed in user experience being ranked higher than operational security by WhatsApp (understandably).

Both points (security vulnerability and user experience prioritization) can be true simultaneously. This is the root of all plausible deniability when it comes to installing vulnerabilities in technologies.

I don't see why we should care at all about WhatsApp's intentions with the change when the effects are so pernicious. Facebook et al. definitely do not deserve the benefit of our doubt anymore.

Re: Leaked phone number of Mark Zuckerberg reveals he is on Signal

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Post by serf »

khalilravanna wrote: post #122
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #61

How dare you suggest Mark Zuckerberg is a hypocrite after said "Privacy is no longer a social norm", and then bought all houses surrounding his one. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/jan/11/facebook-... https://www.businessinsider.com/mark-zuckerberg-buys-4-homes...

“Zuckerberg reportedly took action after he learned that a developer wanted to purchase one of his neighbor's homes and use the fact that Zuckerberg lived close by as a marketing tactic. ... Zuckerberg will lease the four homes he just bought back to its current residents.” Not sure how this paints Zuckerberg in a bad light. The bad guy seems to be the developer who was going to use his fame to advertise, thus exposi…

finding the homes of the rich and famous is absolutely trivial.

>I mean he left the people in their homes.

how good of him . /s

Generally if someone does something you don't like you ask them to stop; if they don't you sue them , or if conditions allow you ask law enforcement to step in.

>This was Zuckerberg’s way to eke out a bit more privacy in the vein of a normal human.

on what planet do normal humans buy all the surrounding real estate in some of the most expensive places to live to 'eke out a bit more privacy'?

This is quite clearly a show of finance and power that few 'normal human' people would ever be able to demonstrate themselves.

Good on him, i'm not upset about it, he SHOULD spend his money how he wants -- i'm upset that people try to paint the behavior as normal and run-of-the-mill.

There is nothing normal/every-man/run-of-the-mill about Mark Zuckerberg's existence.

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