I just wish Windows has built-in Docker so that i don't need to install anything like wsl,... Make docker run on bare-metal Windows is a huge improvement to my life ! Why? WSL or VM is stupid because it costs around 5-6GB of RAM without doing anything.
Docker Raises $23M
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#152I just wish Windows has built-in Docker so that i don't need to install anything like wsl,... Make docker run on bare-metal Windows is a huge improvement to my life ! Why? WSL or VM is stupid because it costs around 5-6GB of RAM without doing anything.
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#153It feels like Docker (Inc) is becoming less and less "relevant" for each year that passes. At least from my perspective, they led the popularisation of containerisation and the whole cattle-not-pets approach of deploying apps. They created big and long lasting change in the industry. But they seem to have lost the production environment race to Kubernetes, at least for now. They are the biggest player in the dev-mach…
Kubernetes is so much more than most people should want or need. It's far too complicated and heavyweight for smaller or simpler deployments. In AWS, most people should use ECS/Fargate instead. There are other competing container environments as well. Your point still stands; Docker popularized containerization and are in danger of becoming irrelevant because they ceded the container execution environment to others.
That said, I agree about a higher level PaaS-style offering being a better fit for most companies.
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#155Interesting to see this called a Series B. Did Docker hit reset after the split? Here's a separate thread for "Docker Series B: More Fuel To Help Dev Teams Get Ship Done" - with a bit more info on what the plan is from Scott. Interesting to see this news on the same day that "We don't need Docker" was also on the front page of Hacker News. I think we absolutely still need Docker in 2021. https://news.ycombinator.com/…
> "We don't need Docker" was also on the front page of Hacker News. I read it as a typical "We don't need [Complex Tool] because we don't have [Complex Tool Solutions] problems". Not trivializing it, I think those articles are valuable hype-free analysis of the latest tool-of-the-day. "They don't need Docker" and "We absolutely need Docker" are non-contradictory.
People are also totally right to question why some new fancy tool is needed when the old way works. Its best to just view all these things as tools at your disposal rather than necessities.
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#156I just wish Windows has built-in Docker so that i don't need to install anything like wsl,... Make docker run on bare-metal Windows is a huge improvement to my life ! Why? WSL or VM is stupid because it costs around 5-6GB of RAM without doing anything.
Well, Docker is a Linux technology. If you really need Docker that badly and can't take the overhead of a VM, then it sounds like you would be better off just running Linux like the rest of us. :)
But i need to spend some times with Windows softwares, too ;)
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#157I really see this as trying to buy enough time for someone to rescue the investors, maybe the founders and definitely not the employees with an acquihire. Docker is a good example of a company that (IMHO) should never have raised so much capital. It just doesn't have the moat to justify the valuation. HN has posted several submissions (eg [1]). Containers aren't new. Anyone can do it. So where is the moat? Possibilit…
Re: Docker Raises $23M
#158I just wish Windows has built-in Docker so that i don't need to install anything like wsl,... Make docker run on bare-metal Windows is a huge improvement to my life ! Why? WSL or VM is stupid because it costs around 5-6GB of RAM without doing anything.
Just install WSL standalone edition. It runs on bare metal with no virtualization. Also GUI is much better and no tracking!
As i tried, wsl need a VM to run.
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#159It feels like Docker (Inc) is becoming less and less "relevant" for each year that passes. At least from my perspective, they led the popularisation of containerisation and the whole cattle-not-pets approach of deploying apps. They created big and long lasting change in the industry. But they seem to have lost the production environment race to Kubernetes, at least for now. They are the biggest player in the dev-mach…
I was already doing containers with HP-UX Vaults in version 11 back in 1999. Just like any tool that doesn't offer more than an abstraction layer over OS features, eventually it becomes irrelevant as OS tooling improves.
You'd think. But I think what we're seeing here is the opposite side of the coin flip of that thread that smug idiots like to continually link here where people were saying Dropbox could be implemented in a day using basic Linux tools. Those people in the thread were always correct (I mean, this is "Hacker" news, so people will approach every problem with their hammer... shocking).
Dropbox just happened to get lucky. Docker, not so much. Both have serious competitors, including Google.
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is kind of reductive. You could ask the same for nomad, mesos, and lots of other things. It wasn't just swarm vs k8s
How is it reductive? I do ask the same question for all those other systems, or the meta-question: "How is it that the bloated monstrosity of Kubernetes somehow became the de-facto container orchestration tool?" Is this just sysadmins buying themselves job security?
I could use docker swarm, or nomad, but I have to manage infrastructure, write my own integrations, manage the underlying hardware.
Or I can run az aks create and be off to the races