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Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by zacharycohn »

kube-system wrote: post #53
thorwasdfasdf wrote: post #4

100$ a month. Plus a 600$ fee to buy the hardware. i think they said 50mbps - 150mpbs It's a little on the pricey side but at least, as far I know, it's not comcast or at&t.

People who don't live adjacent to a public thoroughfare are sometimes quoted 5 or 6 digit installation costs for cable. https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1607004-charter-cost-... https://www.reddit.com/r/Comcast/comments/9ytg25/comcast_wan... https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r9512648-TWC-TWC-wants-want... https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/want-... This is for those people.

Hi! I live on a major arterial in a major US city. We have buried utilities to my house, and my house was never wired for anything faster than what you can get on a phone line. Even though all six of my property-line adjacent neighbors (whose houses are in stone-throwing distance) have gigabit connections.

After 9 months and a call to the City Council, I finally got a quote from Comcast: $37,000 for copper. They laughed when I asked what it would cost for fiber.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by new_realist »

walrus01 wrote: post #64
IgorPartola wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the big issues I’ve had with anything but wired ISPs is latency. They specifically talk about 20-40ms latency being expected in most locations, but don’t specify to where. I currently get about 20 +/- 4 ms from me to 8.8.8.8 consistently. Is their latency to my first hop? Also, what is their IPv6 support like? Can I get a routable /60 or similar? Static IPv4/IPv6? And do you need to use their router or can you…

a. absolute lowest latency I've seen to a major IX point in seattle is about 15.8ms. More often it's 22-23ms. On a longer term, averages between 20-30ms. That's for the combined total of four 550km paths through space plus terrestrial latency from their earth station to seattle. Keep in mind that on something like a DOCSIS3 cable coax last mile segment can have a minimum latency of 12-16ms from just the cablemodem to…

DOCSIS 3 latency is 8ms in my experience; fiber is 1.5ms.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by tzs »

kortilla wrote: post #10
thorwasdfasdf wrote: post #4

100$ a month. Plus a 600$ fee to buy the hardware. i think they said 50mbps - 150mpbs It's a little on the pricey side but at least, as far I know, it's not comcast or at&t.

It’s not really meant to compete with cable/fiber. This is for people stuck with geo stationary trash, dsl, microwave relay, etc. It’s a massive market and can take SpaceX to a trillion dollar company easily without ever stealing a cable customer.

Their 12000 satellites will have a total bandwidth of 240000 Gbps. I don't see how they get to a trillion dollars on that. A 100 Mbps stream being uploaded to one satellite and then relayed through others and finally download to and end user is going to use at least 200 Mbps of that total system bandwidth.

That puts an upper limit of 1.2 million worldwide simultaneous 100 Mbps streams, and that's probably being too generous. In a given region the limit is much smaller. The numbers I saw said 500k simultaneous 100 Mbps streams in the US.

Overselling can push those numbers up, but I don't think they can oversell enough to take them to a trillion dollar company.

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Post by sgtnoodle »

dogecoinbase wrote: post #69
walrus01 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a. absolute lowest latency I've seen to a major IX point in seattle is about 15.8ms. More often it's 22-23ms. On a longer term, averages between 20-30ms. That's for the combined total of four 550km paths through space plus terrestrial latency from their earth station to seattle. Keep in mind that on something like a DOCSIS3 cable coax last mile segment can have a minimum latency of 12-16ms from just the cablemodem to…

> b. no ipv6 yet. They have people who know what they are doing for neteng so I am sure it is planned. heh, my assumption when I hear that people who know what they're doing are involved is the opposite ;) Thank you for the detailed report! I'm very excited for the tech, especially once the lasers are up and it doesn't rely on the base station (i.e. I can take my uplink on a road trip)

Lol, the fact that they just went with IPv4 supports the theory that they know what they're doing.

I've read multiple tutorials on IPv6 and it's so complicated that I still can't grasp how it all works in my head. For some context, I've personally written an Ethernet IPv4 network stack with DHCP from scratch. I also worked on Ethernet switch firmware, coincidentally for SpaceX...

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by awb »

Pricing looks like $499 for hardware, $50 shipping and $99/mo for service.

I had trouble getting fast internet at a rural location and ended up going with T-Mobile Home Internet for $50/mo and no setup fee. They claim 50mbps but ours typically exceeds 100mbps with unlimited data so no complaints so far.

I’m not affiliated with either company, just interesting to see the new internet offerings available to rural homes.

Re: Starlink is now Accepting General Pre-orders

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Post by edgyquant »

systemvoltage wrote: post #36
junon wrote: post #28

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Not sure how any of that magically creates better politicians, and it's worth mentioning that some people really enjoy large cities and the idea of a megalopolis. However, I do agree that Starlink could be the answer to impoverished areas not having readily available internet. This is something I hope to see change as a result, as it would really reinforce some of the early sentiments Elon put out a long while ago.

That's true, I also like some aspects of large cities, especially on the East coast (NYC). I was thinking that better politicians because of conciousness of the community towards its own governance, we already do that but very poorly. I don't even know who the politicians are in my own county. No idea what they do and I don't know if we have a local newspaper in our county. May be I should engage in town halls and lo…

I think this is a romantic view. Small towns are, if anything, more corrupt as there are less people and less options. It’s a lot easier to get away with being blatantly corrupt in small town America, at least in my experience growing up in a southern adjacent smallish (~15k people) town.

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Post by treelovinhippie »

walrus01 wrote: post #40

I have been using a starlink beta terminal for 3 months now, ask me whatever you want. Day job is senior network engineer for a regional-sized (4 US states) fiber based ISP. My most important message to everyone reading this is that it's not intended to compete with properly implemented wireline based services. It's going to absolutely blow away consumer-grade highly oversubscribed, bottom of the barrel ku and ka ban…

I'm interested in mounting it laying flat (no stand) to the top of a van. I don't expect it to work while on the move.

But do you think it would still work in a fixed configuration like that?

And how much do you think tree coverage would affect service?

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Post by cromka »

walrus01 wrote: post #133
GoOnThenDoTell wrote: post #132

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Do the markets need lots of bandwidth? Or just-enough with the lowest possible latency

A lot of serious HFT has moved to HF radio bands with giant aimed yagi uda or dipole antennas, already... London, new york, chicago, tokyo. It's very low bit rate but lower latency.

So Australian FinTech will definitely appreciate Starlink, then?

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Post by cromka »

gpm wrote: post #129
lookdangerous wrote: post #126

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Can Starlink travel with you? My wife and I are discussing purchasing a tiny home on a trailer and the ability to get a decent connection _anywhere_ would be an amazing amenity.

In principle, yes. They've demoed it on fighter jets. But they don't seem to be selling that capability to consumers just yet - presumably to avoid issues with too many subscribers congregating in one place. See the faq answers on "Can I travel" and "Can I change my service address" https://www.starlink.com/faq

"Your Starlink is assigned to a single cell. If you move your Starlink outside of its assigned cell, a satellite will not be scheduled to serve your Starlink and you will not receive internet. This is constrained by geometry and is not arbitrary geofencing."

I like how technical they still are. Probably a matte of time before they have to dumb-down everything there.

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Post by nomay »

walrus01 wrote: post #40

I have been using a starlink beta terminal for 3 months now, ask me whatever you want. Day job is senior network engineer for a regional-sized (4 US states) fiber based ISP. My most important message to everyone reading this is that it's not intended to compete with properly implemented wireline based services. It's going to absolutely blow away consumer-grade highly oversubscribed, bottom of the barrel ku and ka ban…

How fast the speed do you think they will settle for normal operation? I mean 1Gbps sounds cool, but the limitation and economics are there.
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