Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020 • Hacker News Board

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by decafninja » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 5:03 PM UTC

mhh__ wrote: post #101

toomuchtodo wrote: post #81

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Sour grapes. No one was racing to buy Leafs and Bolts, nor EVs with no DC fast charging network. People wanted a great car that happened to be electric, not anemic golf carts.

What's wrong with the Leaf? Some people just want a car that goes from A to B rather than a to flex on the plebs in a musk-mobile, good as they are.

They look like cheap dwarf mutant hatchback economobiles similar to other (ICE) cars far lower in MSRP.

One of Tesla's biggest achievements was that they produced an EV that actually looks like a cool, desireable, premium car.

There are other EVs now that fit that description, but they are significantly more expensive than the Model3 and ModelY.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by toomuchtodo » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 5:03 PM UTC

mhh__ wrote: post #145

Consultant32452 wrote: post #137

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The low price is an indicator of the low desirability.

It's sold 500k units which is more than most Tesla's have, it's a different product for a different market. Think again.

Who is more likely to be right? You and your cheap used car use case or sophisticated capital markets and the valuation they’ve assigned to Tesla based on future expectations? Tesla can’t build 3s and Ys fast enough to keep up with demand, and they’re $40k-$50k (roughly) vehicles.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by gamblor956 » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 5:05 PM UTC

CharlesW wrote: post #131

anthony_r wrote: post #6

BTW, as of late Tesla isn't at all the big leader over there: https://eu-evs.com/marketShare

Wow, amazing to see Tesla trending down to under 1%. That seems to be evidence that their first-mover advantage won't help them as EVs become common.

Yeah, sacrificing QC for scaling is biting them in the ass in a big way.

There are plenty of people who have heard horror stories about Tesla and are now won't consider buying one. All of the small buy annoying defects were acceptable to the first-mover crowd, but they're an extremely small segment of the market. Once you go mass market, people care a great deal about the quality of something they're spending $30k+ on and which may be their only vehicle.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by dschuler » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 5:05 PM UTC

unethical_ban wrote: post #97

J-dawg wrote: post #83

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Can we not pretend that electric cars don't pollute the planet? To be clear, I am a big fan of electric cars. But this seems to have become another one of those things that has become so polarised you're not even allowed to express healthy skepticism.

ICE vehicles have very little headroom for "environmental growth" whereas electric seems to have very high levels of headroom. Batteries from more common elements, better recycling, more renewable energy to charge them. As much as I love big trucks, there is no "zero carbon diesel". So it isn't pretending, they really are a lot better for the planet in the mid-term and forward.

> there is no "zero carbon diesel".

There is, it’s called biodiesel. It’s certainly possible to be net zero carbon with synthetic fuels.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by eitland » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 5:06 PM UTC

messo wrote: post #11

anthony_r wrote: post #6

BTW, as of late Tesla isn't at all the big leader over there: https://eu-evs.com/marketShare

Tesla was all the rage for a couple of years, especially due to their exceptional (and free) charging infrastructure and weak competition. The government has done a lot to facilitate the expansion of the public charging infrastructure and this makes it more attractive to buy electric cars from other brands. Teslas are so common here know that it has lost much of its novelty. There are so many cars to choose from now.

> Teslas are so common here know that it has lost much of its novelty.

Also there's been some widely known problems where Tesla has failed big time wrt service.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by asenk » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 5:06 PM UTC

eloeffler wrote: post #70

This includes hybrids. It's really questionable to incentivize hybrid vehicles and selling it as a electrified success. Discussions about the efficiency/environmental impact/... of combustion v.s. electric aside, it's obvious that driving a huge battery around will burn more fuel. I think this can only be seen as a success for electrified motors if it's proven that they're actually being used.

Literally everything you said is wrong. The figure does not include hybrids, driving around a battery does not consume more energy, and yes they are being used.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by lqet » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 5:06 PM UTC

anthony_r wrote: post #6

BTW, as of late Tesla isn't at all the big leader over there: https://eu-evs.com/marketShare

Interesting site. Here in Germany, most of the electric cars I see are delivery vehicles by Deutsche Post or Renault Zoes (I don't own one, but regularly drive a Zoe (carsharing), I have no complaints). The market share for Germany seems to reflect that. I have never seen a Tesla on the road here.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by chrisjc » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 5:07 PM UTC

npx13 wrote: post #149

WoodenChair wrote: post #21

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It seems like Volkswagen is making some real inroads in the EV market based on that data. Is this correct? What has fueled it—is there a particular model?

Yes it’s correct. VW investing very heavily in MEB platform. ID3 is great fun to drive but VW have much to do on software side.

I'm surprise that the new ID3 even has the volume to compete with Tesla at this point. Does this data include other VW electric vehicles like the Golf E or another model we're not too familiar with?

Edit... just to clarify, nothing against the ID3, just pretty surprised VW could have scaled up production so fast even if they're the largest or second largest car company in the world.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by clajiness » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 5:09 PM UTC

albertgoeswoof wrote: post #140

CharlesW wrote: post #131

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Wow, amazing to see Tesla trending down to under 1%. That seems to be evidence that their first-mover advantage won't help them as EVs become common.

Tesla’s are great and all but American cars don’t exactly have a good reputation in Europe

American cars don't have a good reputation with a lot of Americans. They're generally cheap vehicles with poor build quality.

Re: Electric cars make up 54% of cars sold in Norway in 2020

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Post by Consultant32452 » Tue, Jan 05, 2021, 5:13 PM UTC

CydeWeys wrote: post #23

vinni2 wrote: post #7

Also the reason why the government is also slowly phasing out incentives to the electric cars.

They're not phasing out the #1 incentive to buy electric cars: Insanely high gasoline prices (nor should they). So I'm not seeing a regression in the making here.

Gas here is $2.25/gallon