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Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by banana_giraffe »

> Soon after we released iSH without apk, we found users who had figured out a way to get apk back using wget and were posting about this throughout the internet. We suspect this was the reason why our rejection notice mentioned wget specifically

As the writer of one of the links in that sentence, I almost feel bad for making the post I did. Almost. If I hadn't someone else would have, clearly. I'm not some super hacker that discovered a hidden backdoor here.

It's frustrating, to say the least, that Apple won't let me do what I want with hardware I own. Yep, I know it's a long standing issue, and I'm not the first one to have this gripe, but this sort of nonsense is why I'm moving away from the Apple ecosystem. Once you piss off your power users, I wonder if the ecosystem will survive for long.

Then again, maybe I'm just having a "get off my lawn" moment, and Apple is on the right path. I'm not clairvoyant, I just want to have a nice Mosh client that can run a Python script to find an IP and open a firewall hole. But nope, that's evil scripting, I guess.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by jagger27 »

heavensgateboy wrote: post #75

The practice of rigging app store removals as a means of increasing launch-hype is becoming an increasingly utilized marketing technique for apps. The "Hey" e-mail app successfully used this tactic recently. This marketing technique is a form of social engineering and fraud that spurs artificial discourse regarding well-known legal hurdles affecting apps. App developers then re-publish a compliant app that capitalize…

iSH is an open source hobby project, not a product. I fail to see how what you accuse Hey of as fraud and artificial discourse either.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by fsflover »

clusterfish wrote: post #133
intricatedetail wrote: post #65

There is no point fighting Apple. Companies spend resources on Apple moving goal posts and focus on artificial problems. Once companies stop supporting Apple products, users will switch to better platforms or Apple will change their ways. I made sure everyone I know is informed about Apple shady practices and knows to avoid their products.

Switch where? Google's walled garden sucks too, even if slightly less right now. You can't fight a duopoly as if it's a competitive market.

The alternatives are GNU/Linux phones (PinePhone, Librem 5) and companies respecting users, see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24866279

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by headmelted »

Don’t build software for Apple devices. It’s a pretty straightforward solution.

Apple has shown time and again that they’ll crush your project/business in an instant without recourse or a second thought.

Nothing on the App Store, regardless of whether it complies with Apple’s policies currently or not, has any guarantee it won’t be disappeared tomorrow for non-compliance when the wind blows in a different direction (like any number of parental control apps prior to Screen Time).

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by WesolyKubeczek »

stefan_ wrote: post #95
dylan604 wrote: post #35

"we received a call from Apple" is this a literal statement where some human from Apple called on the telephone to speak to someone about this situation, or is this a phrase that actually means they received an email notification about the situation? I ask because it seems well outside the norm of no-human contact regarding support from FAANG companies.

They call so you are not prepared and there isn't a ready record. It's probably in the antitrust trainings..

The solution is to have a sound recording device nearby and record the call as soon as you hear it's from Apple. Or record the calls on your phone if it allows it.

It should be a starter kit of any developer for Apple platforms, just in case, you know.

(Recording calls from numbers you don't recognize as a habit is not that stupid. Who knows, one day it's a robocall, another day Apple, still another day some death threats you'd want to hand over to police.)

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by userbinator »

Apple clearly does not want you to have a general-purpose computer:

https://boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html

Everything is done with "security" as an excuse because it's hard to argue against[1], but I think people are slowly starting to see through that. Apple wants to control every aspect of your life, and if you let it, it will. I wonder whether those who work at Apple and are responsible for doing such things really understand the implications, and whether they agree with it...

[1] Except with that classic Franklin quote.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by gameswithgo »

l3s2d wrote: post #89
yakz wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can build on it... developers have been building on it for years and making money doing it. Don't make an app that allows users to run unapproved software. I think that's a pretty clear rule. If your app makes money (directly or indirectly), pay Apple whatever portion of your revenue that Apple demands. I also think that's a pretty clear rule. If there's something that should obviously be regulated out of existe…

Absolutely. As much as I dislike Apple, their ecosystem works for them and their users. Unfortunately the general public isn't aware of the restrictions imposed on them until it matters, like when their screen is broken and they can't pay $$$ for a first party repair. We need regulation coining and enforcing accurate terminology for the relationship between vendors like Apple and Tesla, and their users. It's not owne…

Of course their ecosystem works for their users, those of us it doesn't work for have left.

We are just encouraging the rest of you who actually enjoy computers to leave too, and warning app developers to avoid that platform if your app is actually interesting or if a lot of people's careers ride on it, since who knows what apple may decide is not acceptable in the future.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by catlifeonmars »

jariel wrote: post #135
threeseed wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iOS developers have made over a half a trillion dollars over the last decade on this unsustainable, constantly shifting foundation that they hate so much. Makes you wonder why they bother ? Maybe it's because the very rules you say developers hate are the ones users find appealing.

"Maybe it's because the very rules you say developers hate are the ones users find appealing." This is fairly easily disprovable by the mere existence of Android - which has a healthy app market place, tons of great apps and is for all intents and purposes, just as secure. Google Play does a fine job of promoting good apps, keeping bad ones out, and I can still go 'off network' and download my IT app or whatever that…

I think it’s more likely that Apple users are self selected to prefer the Apple App Store model, similar to the way Android users are self selected. The mere existence of those two markets doesn’t really tell us conclusively what users prefer. You would need to control for other factors, such as user income, demographics, etc etc.
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