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Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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IQ tests are absolute junk as a measurement of general intelligence. IQ is a political tool not a scientific one.

Is there a better method for measuring general intelligence?

IQ is not a method for measuring general intelligence, so there is no way to answer to your question ("better") without perpetuating the myth that IQ is a method for measuring general intelligence

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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This preprint, combined with a recently published study on measurable heart damage [1] makes it clear how little we still know about the long term effects of COVID-19. Similar to this pre-print, [1], looked at both hospitalized and non-hospitalized patients (patients with minor/no symptoms who recovered at home), and found potential long term effects.

[1] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/...

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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I'm certainly not accusing you of this personally, but it's curious how selectively IQ is accepted/denied on this site. It's real enough for the purposes of covid policy, lead abatement, or whatever other fashionable environmental intervention. In just about every other case, flat out denialism.

The general concern with IQ when used for policymaking, or with standardized "intelligence" tests in general, is that they can fail to account for environmental or cultural factors across individuals or populations. In both cases of covid and lead effects, the effect can be measured on the same population, and/or controlled for proxies of those factors (see "when controlling for age, gender, education level, income,…

Psychologists are just as adept at "controlling for age, gender, education level, income, racial-ethnic group." The validity of IQ was first established using within-group comparisons.

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm certainly not accusing you of this personally, but it's curious how selectively IQ is accepted/denied on this site. It's real enough for the purposes of covid policy, lead abatement, or whatever other fashionable environmental intervention. In just about every other case, flat out denialism.

Could you say what you understand IQ is a measure of, citby?

A single index of intellectual ability (with unusually strong predictive power!)

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Fair point. I missed that part. Thanks. Now we should also research if viral infections in general have an association to cognitive deficit. I guess this will be the case.

I haven't heard of it with the flu.

You have never had a bad flu and had cognitive trouble during recovery?

I had a flu once and lost 6kgs in less than 10 days and I was physically and mentally wrecked for some time.

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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The "not un" has a long history of debate amongst stylists. I believe it's easily overused because it has certain air of erudition about it. However, sometimes "not un" is straightforward and clearer than the alternatives. In this context... well.. science journals have their own English journalese that lives outside general usage.

The double negative has its use beyond language sophistication. It can serve to more specifically mark a neutral stance in a vocabulary that may seem to only offer a dichotomy. e.g. what I have available is I like her and I don't like her , but what I mean to say is I don't dislike her .

That example sentence is a perfect usage of an English double negative, the only thing missing is the emphasis which should be on "dis" - if spoken without the emphasis it becomes simply a statement on not disliking someone without the hint that one also definitely doesn't _like_ the person.

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Causation !== correlation. An alternative explanation is those more likely to catch COVID-19 are more likely to be a cohort with lower IQ to begin with (e.g. have lower skilled jobs that put them in harms way etc.). Without a before and after IQ test of biologically confirmed COVID-19 patients this is junk.

IQ tests are absolute junk as a measurement of general intelligence. IQ is a political tool not a scientific one.

IQ is one of the most statistically reliable psychometrics we have

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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I was specifically referring to the claim the effects were probably due to sedation, etc. , not the observation that the study was of hospitalized cases.

So? The OP observed that the most severe effects were in a very small population of hospitalized patients. You fixated on a (plausible) hypothesis made that this could be due to sedation, and used it to reject the entire argument, even though the OP’s point is right, and your argument is a lowbrow dismissal that “experts would have thought of it”. By the way: as far as I can tell, the paper doesn’t discuss this issue…

Given that nearly every one of your comments over the last 8 months had to do with denying Covid is an issue, claiming it is milder than the flu, or claiming that statistics about Covid are inflated and/or fabricated, I'd say the fervor of your response falls under the descriptor of "it’s generally a dismissal of something that disagrees with the reader’s bias".

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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A quick Google search reveals that cognitive deficit seems to be a common consequence in any critically ill patient, not just Covid-19 This study[1] of just one example: Cognitive dysfunction is an important long-term complication of critical illness associated with reduced quality of life, increase in healthcare costs, and institutionalization And the numbers are certainly high: Cognitive impairment was identified i…

Sure as you say critical illness with long term medical effects is known to have this impact. The difference is that, as the abstract points out, substantial cognitive impairment in Covid patients was found even in people who displayed mild symptoms and were never critically ill.

This seems like a large sample size, with the administration being a test. With the pure psychological and fear impacts of this on the world, not the mention the vast majority of people with severe cases being over 55 (people older than 65 have the potential for complications from ANY infection, viral or bacterial) ... I don't think there's a way to accurately account for the placebo/nocebo/mass-hysteria effects of this.

None of these studies seem to be taking into account the psychological contagion that's spreading on an international scale. I really think 10 years from now, we'll be looking at 2020 as the first example of global moral panic and mass hysteria.

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IQ tests are absolute junk as a measurement of general intelligence. IQ is a political tool not a scientific one.

IQ is one of the most statistically reliable psychometrics we have

It measures something, that is certain.
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