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AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Disclaimer: I'm personally hoping to complete my current build as a "Red Box" (AMD CPU, AMD GPU). However, facts are facts. DLSS 1.9 was impressive, but has its problems and would understandably be avoided by most gamers. DLSS 2 is a whole different story[1], and is highly likely to be something that most gamers enable. 4K/60 or 1440p/240 are the golden standards for PC gamers (depending on whether you prefer high re…

> 4K/60 or 1440p/240 are the golden standards Those are $1200+ monitors at any decent resolution. EDIT: by resolution I mean the horizontal dimension of the monitor, where pc enthusiasts typically go for 27+ inches in width which are more expensive as you scale in size, add a curve, etc.

the resolution is specified, do you mean image quality? gamers tend to sacrifice that for refresh speed and low input latency.

There appears to be no FPS performance gain going from 144hz to 240hz though so you don't have to get crazy.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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The last time I owned an AMD video card was more than a decade ago. At the time their video card drivers needed work and could blue screen your box. There was a lot of back and forth on the internet about which driver version to load to get the most stable experience. Fast forward to 2020 and the perception about AMD's video driver quality seems to be in a similar place: https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/radeon-big-navi-d…

I've had 2 Nvidia cards (GTX760 and GTX 1070) and between those 1 AMD card (Sapphire Radeon R9 390) and it was the AMD that constantly BSOD on me. It would run well most of the time but crash my PC often. I appreciate the competition but not willing to risk spending so much if AMD still can't manage.

Sounds like a hardware defect to me. I've had the 380 and never had a BSOD even once.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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With Intel stuck in process hell for a while longer, I primarily hope AMD can gain ground on Nvidia. They are pushing a lot of innovation and gaining market dominance, both in the ML/GPGPU space and gaming (with ray tracing, upscaling, etc). We need some competition to keep prices low and innovation high medium to long term.

Chips are in the pipeline for many years, so products being released today are probably on the tail end of being impacted by AMD cutting GPU budgets to the bone to focus on Zen. I wouldn't expect miracles. Given AMD's market cap and financial success, I bet they're working on competitive designs now. There's no money in being an also ran in the space.

> There's no money in being an also ran in the space.

AMD has spent nearly its entirely life in second place as the resident "also ran". But they're still around...

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Disclaimer: I'm personally hoping to complete my current build as a "Red Box" (AMD CPU, AMD GPU). However, facts are facts. DLSS 1.9 was impressive, but has its problems and would understandably be avoided by most gamers. DLSS 2 is a whole different story[1], and is highly likely to be something that most gamers enable. 4K/60 or 1440p/240 are the golden standards for PC gamers (depending on whether you prefer high re…

DLSS and RTX are still game specific, with very few games that have developed for them. It has been a generation, if there was going to be a big flood of DLSS and RTX titles, it would have happened already.

RT is here to stay, both next gen consoles have it.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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post #122

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> 4K/60 or 1440p/240 are the golden standards Those are $1200+ monitors at any decent resolution. EDIT: by resolution I mean the horizontal dimension of the monitor, where pc enthusiasts typically go for 27+ inches in width which are more expensive as you scale in size, add a curve, etc.

the resolution is specified, do you mean image quality? gamers tend to sacrifice that for refresh speed and low input latency. There appears to be no FPS performance gain going from 144hz to 240hz though so you don't have to get crazy.

I meant the dimensions of the monitor i.e. 27in, 32in, etc. 27 inches seems to be one of the most popular dimensions.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last time I owned an AMD video card was more than a decade ago. At the time their video card drivers needed work and could blue screen your box. There was a lot of back and forth on the internet about which driver version to load to get the most stable experience. Fast forward to 2020 and the perception about AMD's video driver quality seems to be in a similar place: https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/radeon-big-navi-d…

> Fast forward to 2020 and the perception about AMD's video driver quality seems to be in a similar place Maybe for Windows, but the same cannot be said of Linux or macOS, where AMD's choice to open-source their drivers has led to these OSes having great support; while Nvidia, having to support their own closed-source drivers, seemingly hasn't had the bandwidth to get their drivers for these OSes up to par.

Linux support exists, but is a royal pain. With my 5500XT, even on Arch linux it wasn't properly supported unless I compiled a few things from Git.

I applaud the open source effort, but let's not pretend it's all sunshine and rainbows.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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I can't support AMD as a company as long as they are doing that on any of their products.

So what kind of CPUs do you buy, with both Intel and AMD out of the game?

ARM based platforms such as Allwinner and Rockchip CPUs which are free of these security measures. Though the performance is very poor in comparison, however over the next few years the situation might improve.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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I can't support AMD as a company as long as they are doing that on any of their products.

So what kind of CPUs do you buy, with both Intel and AMD out of the game?

Not my niche, but Talos II probably serves that niche well.

Its workstation class, aimed at $5000 computers on a completely open framework.

I'm not convinced that the AMD EPYC feature is malicious however. So I personally would still go with Threadripper or whatever.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Rumor has it AMD has a competitive GPU but will not pursue the high-end market mostly because of their limited TSMC slots, they can make much more money from a CPU wafer than a GPU one ( due to area size and yield ) But I really hope I'm wrong and they kick Nvidia ass since they become such intolerable arrogant anti-competitive pricks in the last +10 years.

If you don't mind, I have what is probably a dumb question. Why does a GPU use PCI-Express still? I understand why they used to use it, but now they are not only standard, but in some cases the most important part of a PC. I feel like if we could break the basic components out of the card, and bring it closer the system with a more modular design a bunch of things would be better. Wouldn't it be nice if I could choos…

> Why does a GPU use PCI-Express still? I understand why they used to use it, but now they are not only standard, but in some cases the most important part of a PC.

PCIe is the fastest I/O mechanism in computers these days.

> I feel like if we could break the basic components out of the card, and bring it closer the system with a more modular design a bunch of things would be better.

GDDR6 and HBM2 RAM cannot be broken out. GDDR6 requires you to solder the RAM directly onto the board, while HBM2 RAM requires an interposer with 4096 individual wires connecting the HBM2 stacks to the GPU.

> more modular design a bunch of things would be better.

Its very difficult to make a "modular" set of 4096 wires (HBM2). Or a "modular" set of GDDR6x (which is now using 4-bits per clock cycle per pin, thanks to PAM4: https://www.anandtech.com/show/15978/micron-spills-on-gddr6x...)

The quality of the connections requires direct soldering in the case of GDDR6x, or incredibly specialized packaging in the case of HBM2. These RAM architectures, while incredibly fast, are almost impossible to extend.

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> It feels to me like moving these pieces to the motherboard would be super beneficial.

Xeon Phi tried to do that, and it failed. I'm not entirely sure what you expect to gain from moving the GPU closer to the center of the motherboard.

Again: high-speed RAM trades flexibility for high-performance. So any GPU using the high-speed RAM like HBM2 or GDDR6 will be stuck at very limited configurations.

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DDR4 and DDR5 are an order of magnitude less bandwidth, but their ability for multiple configurations is what makes the motherboard even possible.

Remove the ability to buy more or less RAM per computer, and what do you have? You just have a graphics card. Its not like you'll be able to pipe information from your hard drives or SSDs faster than a PCIe pipe anyway.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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At the beginning of the year I thought AMD were going to have an amazing year. I think they’ll probably continue beating Intel but the new nVidia cards look really good, and very good value. I hope AMD still have an ace up their sleeve.

> I think they’ll probably continue beating Intel but the new nVidia cards look really good, and very good value. AMD have much lower power consumption, that was my main motivator for Ryzen and AMD Radeon as dev station.

Really? The general sense about AMD has almost always been the reverse, both as compared to Intel and Nvidia in those respective spaces.
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