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Re: Reddit reports 18% reduction in hate content after banning nearly 7k subreddits

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Post by throwmehaweh » Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 11:35 PM UTC

NoSorryCannot wrote: post #123

convery wrote: post #74

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They'd never remove that though. Come to think of it, a lot of the banned subreddits were anti a lot of the politics that regularly get upvoted to the frontpage [0]. So looks more like a political purge. A selection of banned subreddits: r/CampusConservative r/HateCrimeHoaxes r/rightwingcomics r/rightwinglgbt r/Nationalism r/DebateAltRight r/GenderCritical r/blackcrimestatistics r/againstdiversity r/Holodomor r/Expos…

It strikes me that having a duality of political groups like this doesn't mean they both have equal legitimacy or deserve equal platform. American conservatives have pretty eagerly woven prejudice into the ideological fabric of the party. Similarly the party seems willing to promote or at least enable blatant criminality. They made their socially-regressive bed and now they can lie in it. "Fiscal conservatives" who d…

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Re: Reddit reports 18% reduction in hate content after banning nearly 7k subreddits

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Post by marakv2 » Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 1:32 AM UTC

bra-ket wrote: post #144

bryal wrote: post #139

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Right, because hating someone for being a jew and hating someone for being a racist are totally equivalent. Both sides are bad! Only us enlightened centrists realize that you have to take everything in moderation, and must both hate and accept jews and racists equally much!

the thing is 'racist' these days means 'you disagree with my opinion', it's just a meaningless label used to cancel people whose voice you want to suppress if anything BLM propaganda combined with violence and unprecedented popular support really remind me the rise of these guys https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung they use the same bullying and intimidation tactics to grab political power

No racist means what it always has. Discrimination due to race.

Racists are playing the blame card, and shifting the goals more now though.

Re: Reddit reports 18% reduction in hate content after banning nearly 7k subreddits

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Post by schwartzworld » Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 1:38 AM UTC

ip26 wrote: post #142

schwartzworld wrote: post #114

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When most people describe Judaism this way they are only thinking of Ashkenazi Jews. My family comes from eastern Europe. We are not the same race as Ethiopian Jews. Nor do we have the same food, music or culture any more than a Christian from Mexico and a Christian from China. The idea of race is deeply flawed and riddled with contradictions. it has no real meaning in terms of genetics.

Are you finding fault with my point or simply trying to expand or add color? I hear a dissenting bent but am unable to connect your comment to the topic of what makes immutable vs mutable characteristics. Also, I cannot help but observe, whether or not race has meaning in genetics, we cannot simply pretend the social construct does not exist. Therefore it's still relevant & topical to discrimination & protected class…

Yes, I was disagreeing with your description of Jews as a race. It's a very askenazi-centric view. Jews experienced a diaspora a very long time ago and are very diverse.

Re: Reddit reports 18% reduction in hate content after banning nearly 7k subreddits

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Post by thunkpad » Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 2:29 AM UTC

meowface wrote: post #102

thunkpad wrote: post #73

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Wouldn't the difference there be between venting resulting in hurt feelings rather than targeted violence? Reports of genuine, targeted violence against reactionaries are almost non-existent while just a few days ago three trans women were nearly killed while waiting for a cab. If banning r/dropthet (a transphobic subreddit) reduces the amount of eyeballs absorbing phobic talking points that has to be a good thing, n…

>I always find these sorts of discussions sorely lacking an understanding of The Tolerance Paradox. I can't possibly speak for Popper, but I suspect that he'd disapprove of intolerance from any group towards any other group. Let's not tolerate threats or double standards of any kind, whether it's a man defending that he said "kill all women" sarcastically or a woman defending that she said "kill all men" sarcasticall…

Agreed that you shouldn't be using Popper as a cornerstone, but I really think it's a great tool for getting folks to step outside a limited perspective. A foot in the door when trying to introduce the difference between hate speech and retaliatory frustration.

I think it's also worth mentioning that you are very correct in a need for subtlety -- "kill all women" isn't something you're going to see very often any more. Rather, we get some nonsense about the moral arc of the universe and another endless discussion while people continue to be harmed. I knew (happily past tense) a couple guys who just couldn't kick their absolute vitriol for seeing women thrive while they were struggling. It's super nasty and, in my experience, a way more dangerous thing than someone going off about killing women verbatim.

Thanks for pointing out the blind spot though! I've found that way of thinking about morality to be really positive and forgiving -- to view something as a correctable omission rather than a character flaw.

Re: Reddit reports 18% reduction in hate content after banning nearly 7k subreddits

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Post by thunkpad » Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 2:31 AM UTC

nailer wrote: post #84

thunkpad wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't the difference there be between venting resulting in hurt feelings rather than targeted violence? Reports of genuine, targeted violence against reactionaries are almost non-existent while just a few days ago three trans women were nearly killed while waiting for a cab. If banning r/dropthet (a transphobic subreddit) reduces the amount of eyeballs absorbing phobic talking points that has to be a good thing, n…

> Reports of genuine, targeted violence against reactionaries are almost non-existent Someone is wearing a MAGA hat. Someone else is wearing a Biden hat. Which do you think is more likely to be assaulted?

I wanted to disagree with you, but honestly my gut also says the MAGA hat person is at risk.

Here's the thing though -- where's the data? Has that actually happened in any significance? Especially compared to right wing violence.

Re: Reddit reports 18% reduction in hate content after banning nearly 7k subreddits

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Post by ebg13 » Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 3:38 AM UTC

salmon30salmon wrote: post #138

ebg13 wrote: post #78

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> Reddit itself has no means of monetization. This is a classic confusion about the nature of currency and networks. Direct monetization is one kind of success but not the only one. For one thing, a hate prophet doesn't need money to be successful. A hate prophet needs _listeners_ to be successful. Reducing access to accidental listeners who then get sucked into a brainwashing machine is reducing access to success. A…

If this were a serious logical debate, I wouldn't use it. It is indeed a fallacy, but it expresses a phenomenon in a way that is generally understood by most people. That is, acceptance of one link in a chain of events makes the acceptance of the following links easier. The fallacy is two parts, one that the above is even true (it doesn't make it easier in all cases) and that it leads to a form of reductio ad absurdu…

> Sometimes logical fallacies get a point across

A fallacious point. That's the point.

Re: Reddit reports 18% reduction in hate content after banning nearly 7k subreddits

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Post by radegast » Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 6:09 AM UTC

bryal wrote: post #139

bra-ket wrote: post #119

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most of the popular subreddits encourage hate against police and Trump supporters, just see how much cheering you get when there is a video of BLM assaulting someone wearing MAGA hat, or a white "Karen" (typically middle-aged white woman) is humiliated or assaulted by mob, or an officer sprayed and blinded when arresting some looter. These threads full of raging hate are reaching Reddit front page on regular basis, w…

Right, because hating someone for being a jew and hating someone for being a racist are totally equivalent. Both sides are bad! Only us enlightened centrists realize that you have to take everything in moderation, and must both hate and accept jews and racists equally much!

Reading stuff like this really concerns me. If you go to /r/worldnews, /r/news or /r/politics, there is literally none pro-right content, and all the comments in existing posts are bashing the GOP/right/Trump/whatever.

I am not an EnLiGhTeNeD CeNtRiSt, I am not from the US at all. Its just weird to see the echo chamber reddit is, calling ALL the people protesting against BLM racists, nazis and what not. At the same time, they are celebrating BLM rioters looting and assaulting people they dont like, but its ok, because they are nazis and racists.

Dont even get me started on Toronto BLM chapter founder saying "White skin is subhuman" - https://twitter.com/therealmissjo/status/966347556304367618 or Bill de Blasio quoting Guevara's "hasta la victoria siempre" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqS1nZkB9sg .

Now why I am concerned. Some people on reddit are calling for forceful disbandment of the GOP. Guys - having just prominent 2 political parties is bad enough already. Reducing that number to 1 is a bad idea IMO.

"But the Democrats are sensible and smart unlike those racist Republicans!"... I wonder where this slippery slope ends. I am sure there's nothing good at the end of it though.

Re: Reddit reports 18% reduction in hate content after banning nearly 7k subreddits

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Post by piva00 » Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 7:23 AM UTC

bra-ket wrote: post #144

bryal wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, because hating someone for being a jew and hating someone for being a racist are totally equivalent. Both sides are bad! Only us enlightened centrists realize that you have to take everything in moderation, and must both hate and accept jews and racists equally much!

the thing is 'racist' these days means 'you disagree with my opinion', it's just a meaningless label used to cancel people whose voice you want to suppress if anything BLM propaganda combined with violence and unprecedented popular support really remind me the rise of these guys https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung they use the same bullying and intimidation tactics to grab political power

And you are parroting the arguments used against fascists trying to take power.

No, "racist" doesn't mean whoever disagree with an opinion, it might mean for you on the circles you take part and consider somewhat important enough in your life to let them impart that impression, racist just means what it has always meant: people that willingly or by ignorance use ethnicity (or race) as the basis for judging someone's else character, life situation and/or social status.

This hasn't changed and there are a lot of those out of the woodwork, if you are basing yourself out of Twitter then... Yeah, you are in a toxic place.

Re: Reddit reports 18% reduction in hate content after banning nearly 7k subreddits

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Post by nailer » Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 12:08 PM UTC

NoSorryCannot wrote: post #123

convery wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They'd never remove that though. Come to think of it, a lot of the banned subreddits were anti a lot of the politics that regularly get upvoted to the frontpage [0]. So looks more like a political purge. A selection of banned subreddits: r/CampusConservative r/HateCrimeHoaxes r/rightwingcomics r/rightwinglgbt r/Nationalism r/DebateAltRight r/GenderCritical r/blackcrimestatistics r/againstdiversity r/Holodomor r/Expos…

It strikes me that having a duality of political groups like this doesn't mean they both have equal legitimacy or deserve equal platform. American conservatives have pretty eagerly woven prejudice into the ideological fabric of the party. Similarly the party seems willing to promote or at least enable blatant criminality. They made their socially-regressive bed and now they can lie in it. "Fiscal conservatives" who d…

That's a very bold claim. On what basis would you say that?

Re: Reddit reports 18% reduction in hate content after banning nearly 7k subreddits

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Post by nailer » Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 12:10 PM UTC

thunkpad wrote: post #155

nailer wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Reports of genuine, targeted violence against reactionaries are almost non-existent Someone is wearing a MAGA hat. Someone else is wearing a Biden hat. Which do you think is more likely to be assaulted?

I wanted to disagree with you, but honestly my gut also says the MAGA hat person is at risk. Here's the thing though -- where's the data? Has that actually happened in any significance? Especially compared to right wing violence.

Thanks for being honest. There's a huge amount of video footage of people being beaten by rioters.