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Re: Reddit reports 18% reduction in hate content after banning nearly 7k subreddits

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Post by james-mcelwain »

specialp wrote: post #124
james-mcelwain wrote: post #67

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Punching up vs punching down is a super important distinction to make in these kinds of policies.

I thought we are trying to stop hate for characteristics someone has no control over (sex, sexuality, race, gender, disability, nationality). I think any "punches" thrown at a group that was just born that way is not fair and the direction should not be a factor. Shouldn't someone be judged on their character and thoughts, not their biology or circumstances? If you aren't doing that then you aren't being genuine for…

The solution to "stop the punching" isn't to demand oppressed people not be upset. The solution is to stop punching down. We stop racism by reversing the material effects of racism, not by spreading an imaginary "color blind" ideology. The last thing we should be doing right now is pretending that race doesn't matter.

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Post by ip26 »

schwartzworld wrote: post #114
ip26 wrote: post #54

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Race & religion are sometimes deeply entwined, see Jewish. Imagine if Jewish ethnicity was a protected class but Jewish religion was not. How would that even work in practice? "I was not discriminating against the Jews on account of being ethnic Jews but rather on account of their Jewish faith, your Honor!"

When most people describe Judaism this way they are only thinking of Ashkenazi Jews. My family comes from eastern Europe. We are not the same race as Ethiopian Jews. Nor do we have the same food, music or culture any more than a Christian from Mexico and a Christian from China. The idea of race is deeply flawed and riddled with contradictions. it has no real meaning in terms of genetics.

Are you finding fault with my point or simply trying to expand or add color?

I hear a dissenting bent but am unable to connect your comment to the topic of what makes immutable vs mutable characteristics.

Also, I cannot help but observe, whether or not race has meaning in genetics, we cannot simply pretend the social construct does not exist. Therefore it's still relevant & topical to discrimination & protected classes. It's literally right there in the Civil Rights Act.

Re: Reddit reports 18% reduction in hate content after banning nearly 7k subreddits

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Post by mundo »

bra-ket wrote: post #119
Nitrolo wrote: post #107

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Here's a post breaking down a few details of the ban wave: https://www.reddit.com/r/redditsecurity/comments/idclo1/unde... As you can see a big majority, over three quarters, of banned subreddits had less than ten users, and 99% had less than 5000 subscribers. It's very possible that the other 82% are distributed over the larger, more popular subreddits which are not encouraging hate speech. As an example, if someone…

most of the popular subreddits encourage hate against police and Trump supporters, just see how much cheering you get when there is a video of BLM assaulting someone wearing MAGA hat, or a white "Karen" (typically middle-aged white woman) is humiliated or assaulted by mob, or an officer sprayed and blinded when arresting some looter. These threads full of raging hate are reaching Reddit front page on regular basis, w…

The problem with whataboutism in this context is not that it presents a false equivalence, although it does, or that your examples are exaggerated, though they are. It's that it presupposes that Reddit rules are an attempt to enforce justice, as opposed to make money on a website.

It so happens that, in this time in history, posting "I don't like X people" leads to vitriolic arguments and Why Reddit is Evil long-form essays in the Atlantic where X=black, but is largely ignored where X=white. If you think that's unfair, fine, I can see the reasoning, but I think you have to take it up with the society that produces that outcome. Reddit just wants a forum for people to talk about sports and TV shows and boats and look at ads for same.

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Post by bra-ket »

bryal wrote: post #139
bra-ket wrote: post #119

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most of the popular subreddits encourage hate against police and Trump supporters, just see how much cheering you get when there is a video of BLM assaulting someone wearing MAGA hat, or a white "Karen" (typically middle-aged white woman) is humiliated or assaulted by mob, or an officer sprayed and blinded when arresting some looter. These threads full of raging hate are reaching Reddit front page on regular basis, w…

Right, because hating someone for being a jew and hating someone for being a racist are totally equivalent. Both sides are bad! Only us enlightened centrists realize that you have to take everything in moderation, and must both hate and accept jews and racists equally much!

the thing is 'racist' these days means 'you disagree with my opinion', it's just a meaningless label used to cancel people whose voice you want to suppress

if anything BLM propaganda combined with violence and unprecedented popular support really remind me the rise of these guys https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung

they use the same bullying and intimidation tactics to grab political power

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Post by dcow »

ebg13 wrote: post #57
dcow wrote: post #39

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I don't think “places to be hateful on the internet” are in short supply.

> I don't think “places to be hateful on the internet” are in short supply. Neither are ways of committing suicide, and yet stopping people from accessing _obvious_ and _easy_ options does reduce the number of people doing it.

I think it's a lot easier to be hateful, all things considered.

Re: Reddit reports 18% reduction in hate content after banning nearly 7k subreddits

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Post by kthejoker2 »

eggsnbacon1 wrote: post #129
Someone1234 wrote: post #106

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Can you provide recent examples? On their front page right now: - A post about finishing shampoo and conditioner at the same time - Celebration of a black female CEO - Discussion of abortion - Discussion of Women's only gyms (pros/cons/benefits/etc) - Discussion about marketing vis-a-vis unhealthy body image - Inappropriate boss in a meeting None of those posts are even about men, let alone "hate speech against half…

its pointless to bikeshed this. People did the same to defend TD and other crazy communities. Most of the posts are fine, but occasionally blatant sexism will make the front page and mods don't do anything about it, or even encourage it by putting the post in "real believer" mode where opposing viewpoints can't exist. Same as TD. Best example I've seen https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/hzis4w/a_n... "…

That's...literally not what that message says, "basically" or otherwise.

It literally says the opposite, in fact

> Men, I have a request: Please, think twice before you reply to a post that you can't relate to. I'm not asking you to leave this sub, because I think that it's valuable to read about other people's experiences to learn about their unique challenges in this world.

Re: Reddit reports 18% reduction in hate content after banning nearly 7k subreddits

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Post by Chris2048 »

kilo_bravo_3 wrote: post #134
Chris2048 wrote: post #111

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> "MAH RAIGHT" > MAH FREEZE PEECH Mocking the southern accent?

[flagged]

Strangely enough, I think it also wrong to refer to people with southern accents as "oxy-addicted incesty bigoted white trash".

That said, there is a difference between thinking something wrong, and thinking something should be banned - esp when you conflate censorship of an individual within a community (HN poster), with censorship of the whole community itself (a subreddit).

Are you calling me a techbro because I'm posting on HN? Doesn't that mean you are too?

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Post by non-entity »

kilo_bravo_3 wrote: post #134
Chris2048 wrote: post #111

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> "MAH RAIGHT" > MAH FREEZE PEECH Mocking the southern accent?

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Interesting how you think making your point must include brash classism.

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Post by cma »

s9w wrote: post #79
cma wrote: post #6

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The_Donald promoted the Charlottesville hate rally, people with white shirts and torches.

white shirts and torches - that's so much worse than the BLM riots!

A small minority in both broke into violence (someone was murdered at Charlottesville).

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Post by throwmehaweh »

Someone1234 wrote: post #106
eggsnbacon1 wrote: post #93

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Its clearly what they do. The best example, a default sub TwoXChromosomes is full of blatant hate speech against half the species and its touted as a progressive bastion when its a different variation of The Donald.

Can you provide recent examples? On their front page right now: - A post about finishing shampoo and conditioner at the same time - Celebration of a black female CEO - Discussion of abortion - Discussion of Women's only gyms (pros/cons/benefits/etc) - Discussion about marketing vis-a-vis unhealthy body image - Inappropriate boss in a meeting None of those posts are even about men, let alone "hate speech against half…

> Can you provide recent examples?

We could do this same exercise with r/the_donald. While it's easy to find a few bad apples in any of these subreddits, it's pretty egregious to generalize it to the entire community.

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