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Post by cutemonster »

api wrote: post #114
matz1 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>People who create need to be able to benefit from that creation. I agree, its just the strategy can be changed to not rely on IP.

Feel free to suggest one. Even things like Patreon likely would not work without copyright, as people would just steal the work and republish it on another medium. Open source business models couldn't work without copyright, and there is a minor rebellion underway in OSS against highly permissive licenses due to rampant corporate exploitation (e.g. "SaaSification" and rebranding and commercialization that robs the au…

> enough cheaters to destroy any pure goodwill based system the instant an attempt is made to scale beyond small communities

Well said

And one's software is accessible to all cheaters across the globe (pretending for a while that everyone has a computer)

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Post by matz1 »

oh_sigh wrote: post #140
matz1 wrote: post #132

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Like I said, if you are the original creator you have advantage the copier doesn't have. Another way is to provide customized personalized solution. That would be very hard to copy. How is these pathetic? Either way you have to adapt or left behind.

Yes, that is what you said, and I think it is quite wrong. Being the original creator doesn't mean much when others can copy your design and not pay any of the costs associated with developing it in the first place. Personalized solutions might work for some products but not for others. It is pathetic because it treats illegal behavior as if it you are powerless to stop it. It would be like if your house kept getting…

>Being the original creator doesn't mean much when others can copy your design and not pay any of the costs associated with developing it in the first place

yes, it doesn't much if you don't know how to monetize it.

>It is pathetic because it treats illegal behavior as if it you are powerless to stop it.

I'm not powerless, I still can make money by employing different strategy and I still have my knowledge.

>and someone gave you advice to stop owning things

I think its still a valid advice.

>progress stops because no one will take the effort to build something because someone else can just come along and copy it.

On the contrary, you always to have be progressing and innovating so that you always one step further than then copier.

What I mean left behind is if one refuse to adapt.

>How about the adapting is putting sanctions or restrictions on companies that engage in corporate espionage

I'm just merely suggesting alternative solution.

≥I'm really curious what you do for a living, and how you would feel if your work product was just stolen and ripped off and then used to attempt to shut down your living

I would be delighted if someone feel my product are important enough or useful enough for some one to copy it.

Like I said before there are strategy for making money that doesn't rely solely on IP

Re: How Chinese Officials Hijacked My Company

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Post by cutemonster »

matz1 wrote: post #132
oh_sigh wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one cares if you're the original if someone is offering the product for half the price because they paid $0 for R&D. This is a really pathetic viewpoint to hold and I wonder if you actually live your life by these standards.

Like I said, if you are the original creator you have advantage the copier doesn't have. Another way is to provide customized personalized solution. That would be very hard to copy. How is these pathetic? Either way you have to adapt or left behind.

You have a disadvantage too:

You had to spend time and money to create the thing.

The copycats can instead do marketing, convincing others they're the true creator

Without copyright laws

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Post by goatinaboat »

api wrote: post #114
matz1 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>People who create need to be able to benefit from that creation. I agree, its just the strategy can be changed to not rely on IP.

Feel free to suggest one. Even things like Patreon likely would not work without copyright, as people would just steal the work and republish it on another medium. Open source business models couldn't work without copyright, and there is a minor rebellion underway in OSS against highly permissive licenses due to rampant corporate exploitation (e.g. "SaaSification" and rebranding and commercialization that robs the au…

Even things like Patreon likely would not work without copyright, as people would just steal the work and republish it on another medium.

See https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/akz4xk/onlyfans-creator-n...

Re: How Chinese Officials Hijacked My Company

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Post by swayvil »

cheez wrote: post #76
matz1 wrote: post #40

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>I can't see an answer outside of decoupling Maybe stop relying on IP as your business strategy ? Always be innovating so that you always be one step ahead those who copying.

Knowledge creation and discovery is the engine of economies today. You might as well say "why don't you let everyone live in your house for free" People who create need to be able to benefit from that creation.

>People who create need to be able to benefit from that creation.

Only if they need that benefit. If they don't then they don't.

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Post by greenyoda »

fxtentacle wrote: post #58
hummel wrote: post #13

It seems that Mr. Saleen has suffered the same fate that my electric car company suffered in 2010. After promising us a partnership, his only intention was to obtain the technology and the secrets, at that time one of the few complete EV powertrains on the market. As soon as the contracts were signed and the technology was evaluated, two separate companies were set up based on the same technology.I have to say that t…

Could you post an article that explains the concept of guanxi?

Wikipedia has an article about it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanxi

Here's the section that specifically discusses it in a business context:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanxi#In_a_business_context

Re: How Chinese Officials Hijacked My Company

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Post by ptx »

mattmanser wrote: post #54
kiba wrote: post #32

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America stole Britain's intellectual property for a leg up a century or two ago, now a different country is doing it to them. There's a difference between copying from open source patent database and reverse engineering versus blatantly engaging in industrial espionage, which is a whole another kettle of fish. Or claiming to be playing by the same set of rules but blatantly violating them. The harsh copyright laws an…

I think you need to read up on your history. Here's an easy place to start. https://www.google.com/search?q=america+stole+britain+intell... There's plenty of documented evidence that America illegally stole tons of IP, often paid for by the state no less, otherwise known as industrial espionage. I'm sure they did it to all the European powers of the time too, probably plenty of examples of stolen tech from Spain, the…

> As I'm sure Britain, etc. did to the civilizations more advanced to them in the centuries before too

From China, for instance. Porcelain manufacturing and some other things.

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Post by DeonPenny »

matz1 wrote: post #134
DeonPenny wrote: post #127

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If you have to keep doing that why would you. If I wanted to start a company the smart thing to do would create a company called Orange Computers, steal a modified version of iOS call it iOP and then undercut apple because I didn't have to pay for RnD

You can but you are in mercy of Apple for the product roadmap or future update and you may not understand the product as intimately as Apple. They may also have server side components that would be very difficult to copy.

Who says I would be at their mercy, for example look at Google and Android. Does it seem like Samsung is waiting for Google's release. Google has the most knowledge of Android yet doesn't sell nearly as may phones.

The only reason google continues this is because they make money from search, but if they had to make money from phones they'd have gone under.

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Post by haecceity »

murgindrag wrote: post #48
corty wrote: post #3

The article gives several possible ways to improve the situation. However, one critical way is missing imho: China forces foreign investment to always come in the form of a joint venture with a Chinese company. This practice needs to be forbidden or heavily penalized in all future trade agreements and similar international contracts.

Or reciprocated. Chinese citizens have invested a ton in US businesses, which is sort of okay. They also bought a ton of land in the US, which led to skyrocketing housing prices, and in the long term, if it continues unabated, will lead to the US paying tribute to China in the form of rents on US land. There is no upside to this. We got cheap Chinese plastic trinkets. They got our real estate. Didn't we do this to th…

> Didn't we do this to the indigenous people here once ourselves?

Not until they invade and slaughter everyone here. And no that's probably not going to happen. Hilarious that people think this way though.

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