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Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by vsskanth » Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 2:02 PM UTC

northern-lights wrote: post #87

metaphor wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given 12+ years requirement with tech that was initially released 6 years ago, the only "non-local talent" this listing would bring in are time travelers from the future.

I'm not sure how exactly it works but if I had to guess, the non-local talent would have fudged resumes showing they had the relevant experience. It's not like the relevant Labour departments would actually do the background check on hired candidates. All the companies/consultancies need to do is to show that they couldn't find a relevant candidate locally to satisfy the sponsorship requirements. Note that I'm not ju…

You have to provide evidence to USCIS (letters from past employers) that you worked on kubernetes for 12 years. They don't simply take your assertions at face value.

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by Ensorceled » Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 2:02 PM UTC

I attended a testing conference in 1990 (might have been 91) where John Ousterhout gave a talk on Tcl and Expect. His opening slide was on how Tcl "had arrived" and showed a job posting looking for 5 years of Tcl experience, to which he quiped, "in 2 more years, I'll be the only one qualified for the job"

I'm sure Gosling, Stroustrup, etc. have all been in the position to make similar jokes.

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by dreamcompiler » Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 2:04 PM UTC

At first I thought "Even if you excuse this gaffe, who would consider a job with IBM these days?" But then I noticed it was in India, to which IBM has been outsourcing all their positions. Maybe a job at IBM in India is actually a relatively safe career choice? Definitely not in the US though.

Edit: Reread this and realized it might sound like I'm anti-India. I'm not. I'm American but if I was in the job market and could get a work visa I'd consider moving to India. It's a beautiful country and it's a lot cheaper than the US.

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by Ensorceled » Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 2:04 PM UTC

garmaine wrote: post #23

codingdave wrote: post #10

Recruiters putting silly time requirements on skills is nothing new. My favorite moment of this type was at a meetup for .NET, where a recruiter came in and asked for too many years of experience, and the entire room burst out laughing. She just smiled, accepted the grief we all were giving her, and changed the job description to be accurate. I forget the exact wording she used, but I remember the gist of her respons…

That’s the right attitude to have. I would hire her as my recruiter.

I'd personally be wondering why she changed/added requirements to my job description ...

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 2:06 PM UTC

juped wrote: post #22

> I saw a job post the other day. > It required 4+ years of experience in FastAPI. > I couldn't apply as I only have 1.5+ years of experience since I created that thing. https://twitter.com/tiangolo/status/1281946592459853830

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Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by ghj » Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 2:06 PM UTC

If you include Borg (Kubernetes' predecessor as an internal tool at Google), then the tech has been around since 2003:

https://blog.risingstack.com/the-history-of-kubernetes/

I am sure that's not what they meant though!

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by strogonoff » Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 2:09 PM UTC

cheschire wrote: post #78

zackkatz wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds like a terrible experience for the recruiter. I suggest re-examining the response you had based on understandings of gender issues in tech.

Your assumption that the room was full of men and one female recruiter perpetuates gender inequality as much as your assertion that everyone should refrain from good natured ribbing at ridiculous requirements just because the person dictating the requirements is a woman. Gender inequality in tech is a much deeper issue that starts much earlier in life. And it's possible the ridiculous requirement of 12 years of kuber…

At first approach I wanted to agree with you, but after trying to imagine a room full of women vocally laughing at a male recruiter who’s made a similar mistake I must concede that the matter is not so black and white.

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by imglorp » Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 2:11 PM UTC

vrutberg wrote: post #129

imglorp wrote: post #103

Speaking of dubious recruiting practices, can anyone explain why applicants frequently get ghosted? I mean some companies give zero reply after the workflow system acks receipt of an application. I feel this reflects poorly--in public--on a company's culture. The glossy "work here" page means nothing if there's no follow through in practice. A human may have spent days researching your company and preparing a cover l…

After I had worked as a software engineer for about 5-6 years, struggling with impostor syndrome during portions of that time, I decided to apply for a job at Google mostly just to see what would happen. Guess what happened? They ghosted me. Nothing. No 'thanks, but no'. Just nothing. I remember that it I felt embarassed and was frankly a bit ashamed that I hadn't received a reply. It took a while before I realized t…

It's tough. You can't take it personally. Most likely if you have a good buzzword list you're worth a conversation at least.

Another data point: 30 years exp, I just finished a job search for remote s/w. Total time to sign was about 5 weeks.

* 10 cold applications, all with good fits and detailed covers and research: 1 cold no; 1 few interviews then a no; 8 ghosts after bot ack

* 1 internal referral: got to final talks

* A few external recruiter engagements: two final talks; accepted one of these; and a few ghosts

External recruiters can be a pain but they have one superpower: the ear of their client.

Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration

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Post by Ensorceled » Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 2:16 PM UTC

imglorp wrote: post #103

Speaking of dubious recruiting practices, can anyone explain why applicants frequently get ghosted? I mean some companies give zero reply after the workflow system acks receipt of an application. I feel this reflects poorly--in public--on a company's culture. The glossy "work here" page means nothing if there's no follow through in practice. A human may have spent days researching your company and preparing a cover l…

I think you don't properly appreciate how many job applications somebody can get, and just what a large percentage of those are just spam disguised as applications -- "let me recruit for you", "hire me on contract", "I'm in , sponsor me", "fire your team and hire my offshore consulting firm", ...