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K8s was originally written in Java, and then ported over to Go.
Really? I haven’t heard that before. Citation, please.
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IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration
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Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration
#82Isn't the whole X years of experience with kind of silly anyways? You grow as a programmer by exposing yourself to new ideas and ways of doing things, but this pretty much gives you a low number of years in a bunch of stuff, not impressive on a resume.
I have become less and less convinced on this. Most recently I had choices for what would ostensibly be a Go-centric job between generalists who had a little Go experience, and people really good at Go, but not as much at the rest of our stack.
We went with the generalist under the theory you’re advocating and it was a disaster. The people we hired learned Go, but it takes a while to grok the paradigms and really develop a mental model for what’s going on under the hood. Those hiring choices cost us a lot of grief and probably several months of development time as they made choices that were ostensibly reasonable in other languages/frameworks, but didn’t necessarily hold in Golang.
In the future if I require someone for something specific, say k8s, I’m hiring someone with direct lengthy experience in k8s and not a devops expert who has some experience with k8s.
Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration
#83It's like asking for ten years' experience with Swift. The job descriptions (especially in hidebound companies like Big Blue) tend to have mandated experience levels. HR folks aren't engineers, so they should not be expected to know. However, this should be highly embarrassing to the hiring manager, who I'm sure, was handed the ad text for approval, and probably rubberstamped it without thinking.
> It's like asking for ten years' experience with Swift. Translated: we want to hire Chris Lattner (who started developing Swift in July 2010, so has exactly ten years of experience with Swift).
Good point. There is one (1) person on Earth with that kind of experience.
Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration
#84that's only 1 year executed in parallel
Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration
#85Obviously a typo, they probably meant 1-2 years, which is realistic. While this is probably not actually the case here, I see it quite often that companies have unrealistic expectations when it comes to work experience with technologies like k8s. For example it is quite common here in Berlin to expect 4+ years of k8s experience. Which is unrealistic to find taking into account that k8s initial release was 6 years ago…
Sometimes they just look for a reason to cut the salary or make you more overtime-compliant, or something else. Basically a tool to squeeze out more. The routine is to take you but make you feel like they do you a favor by taking you with less exp than it was originally stated.
Excellent point, that definitely happened to me in my first job.
Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration
#86I'm 99% sure they knew, they did it so you would post it and other people would upvote it and we all would see it on front page of hn.
Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration
#87Some are also designed to be impossible to satisfy so that they can bring non-local talent to satisfy Labour Market tests. Not sure if it is in this case, but there have been plenty of such cases in the past.
Given 12+ years requirement with tech that was initially released 6 years ago, the only "non-local talent" this listing would bring in are time travelers from the future.
I'm not sure how exactly it works but if I had to guess, the non-local talent would have fudged resumes showing they had the relevant experience. It's not like the relevant Labour departments would actually do the background check on hired candidates. All the companies/consultancies need to do is to show that they couldn't find a relevant candidate locally to satisfy the sponsorship requirements.
Note that I'm not just talking about US. Most countries in Europe have the Labour Market tests requirement before a foreigner can be sponsored for the position.
Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration
#88> I saw a job post the other day. > It required 4+ years of experience in FastAPI. > I couldn't apply as I only have 1.5+ years of experience since I created that thing. https://twitter.com/tiangolo/status/1281946592459853830
That's how you identify job postings that are looking for a 10x developer ;)
Hmm, I wonder if I’ve been looking at these requirements all wrong then. If a year of work experience is about 2000 hours, maybe what they’re really saying is they want someone with 8000 hours of experience, which I guess is possible in 1.5 years.
Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration
#89Overstating requisites, or asking for far too many requisites for a particular job and then settling for less has been a widespread practice since for as long as I can remember in technology fields.
When I was younger, I never thought of it as a bad thing, since it scared away those who weren't bold enough to apply for the job - ultimately reducing the competition for the jobs that I've applied for.
Over the past 3 decades, I've never met the qualifications for any job that I've landed, and I always tell others to apply for tech jobs even if they only meet a small number of the requisites for this same reason. Most are surprised to see how many times they get contacted for an interview.
Of course, this practice is slowly changing today since many talented applicants don't feel comfortable enough to apply, which ultimately equates to lost opportunity for the organization. For example, an HR manager recently told me that she doesn't put the word "rockstar" on developer job ads anymore because HR studies show that the term turns off the female and Gen-Z demographics.
Re: IBM looking for 12 years’ experience in Kubernetes administration
#90Isn't the whole X years of experience with kind of silly anyways? You grow as a programmer by exposing yourself to new ideas and ways of doing things, but this pretty much gives you a low number of years in a bunch of stuff, not impressive on a resume.
+100, person. Some people drive cars their whole lives and still get nervous in parking lots, freeways. Some kids are competent sliding on snow at 60 mph on mtn passes. Time doing is ridic.
While I agree, that example isn't very accurate. They're not saying they just want experience in programming, but k8s. So that'd be like them saying they don't want x years driving, but x years drifting on snowy mountain passes.