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How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by joejerryronnie »

tmsh wrote: post #2

Can I just say - the sources for good, actionable news are sometimes the strangest of places these days. I've started just reading: http://reddit.com/r/news instead of newspaper websites and it's nice - some affiliate tv news stations (the Minneapolis newspapers...not so much) or student newspapers (I see you Crimson reporting on the anthropology department) are getting it done and sometimes more consistently than ma…

It is becoming harder and harder to find non-partisan sources of news these days. Even CNN (who I always considered impartial) pretty blatantly wears their politics on their sleeves now. I’ve resorted to reading multiple center-left & center-right sources and trying to reconcile the truth somewhere in the middle.

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by moosey »

threatofrain wrote: post #109
eyelidlessness wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The police don't target racial minorities because they are racist. This is false. There is a long history of police membership in, involvement and collaboration with explicitly racist groups.

Racism is in all our hearts — what’s important is in developing calm relations with your own strengths and weaknesses so that you can work on yourself if you choose. Embracing this human weakness is part of developing the structures to keep us accountable.

Racism is not in our hearts - it's in our brains. A combination of in/out group bias, categorization error, inductive thinking and belief perserverance. Understanding these cognitive errors, and yes, that most decision making processes are made in our emotional centers, thus needing emotional intelligence training; this would all go a long way towards a more conscientious society.

These things can be taught directly. There is nothing special about it, and it's not about strengths or weaknesses. Most human brains work pretty similarly and have the same strengths and weaknesses, all of which can be managed or improved.

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by fsloth »

mtts wrote: post #73
fsloth wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hardly inescapable. Police in the nordic countries acts and behaves more or less as a service branch of the government rather as a bully. But they have several years of training whereas US has only - what, a few months? I would say it's about skimping costs in the wrong place. US system is weird that in it's local search of frugal solutions it creates inefficient systems (like the medical sector).

What’s the situation with Nordic police and minorities? Because in the not really Nordic but reasonably civilized Netherlands the supposedly well educated police force is also a known hotbed of racism. Members of the police force in The Hague refer to themselves as “exterminators of Moroccan vermin”. Ethnic profiling is rampant and on at least one occasion a man of color was held down by a group of cops until he died…

I don't know about minorities but the level of unprofessionalism obvious in the most egregious cases of police violence would feel improbable to me in countries like Sweden ,Finland or Norway. Yeah, they are tiny countries so the sample size is really small. But the police culture is different. Guns are not used, and if they are, their use is strictly monitored.

For example, Finland has a large number of firearms, but police don't come to a crime scene guns ablaze unless they have a very good reason to think there is a need to use them.

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Post by aurizon »

gruez wrote: post #101
aurizon wrote: post #45

Do not wear a 'shoot me' sign. Live hidden video, (2 cams, one points front and one points rear placed behind a plastic grommet it can see through - but is not alone, or buttonhole - make sure cam can not be seen and can not be blocked as you move, and blends in to clothing) stream to a friend-monitored cloud(that the friend can view, but not erase in case the friend is also grabbed). This will give you video your cl…

If your threat model includes police stingrays, the could also jam all cellphone traffic which makes cloud backups irrelevant.

That is true. With enough tech, even a WiFi or other radio link could be blocked. A cam with it's own transmitter to a receiver off the cell bands - few would have it? Not sure how to solve this unless you have a hidden flat pack receiver in a hidden pocket with a good sized battery, flat enough to be hard to pat down?

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Post by griffinkelly »

collyw wrote: post #143
phalangion wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's because the National Guard isn't law enforcement.

What is the National Guard? Voluntary policing of some sort?

The National Guard is effectively the militia of each state. They report to each governor first, and if activated, report to the US military. A traditional guardsman has a civilian job, 9-5 M-F, then one weekend a month 'drills' as a part of the unit. You can get activated, at which point your civilian job has to let you go serve. Most common activations are for statewide disasters--tornados, floods, hurricanes--but most recently medical units were deployed for covid relief. National callups would be to help the us military in Iraq etc., but at all times the guard serves the state first.

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Post by derangedHorse »

bsanr2 wrote: post #145
germinalphrase wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m a local. Here’s some additional context: “Follow up on video of people getting rubber bullets shot at them in their doorway from a source that was there. This was personally texted to me. Source is a teacher that works at my elementary school. Here’s what was posted. ‘That is my blue house across the street. Apparently this video has gone viral. What they didn’t show was the 20- 30 minutes of the rioters that sur…

This doesn't pass the sniff test. If they were rioters, they would likely not be rioting on their own porch. Hence, ordering them to go inside would mean breaking into someone else's house. On the other hand, if they're legitimately on their own proerty, and if they're not being disorderly, then what is the rationale for that use of force? I hate to say it, but I'm doubting the veracity of this account. There's nothi…

The assertion that shooting someone on their own porch is wrong doesn't invalidate the claim made by the OP's friend. I completely agree with you that an unnecessary amount of force was used though, to the point where it almost seems criminal.

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Post by mtts »

collyw wrote: post #149
tokai wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Police in Denmark are bullies too. Breaking basic rights, assaulting citizens, covering for each other, lobbying against body cams and visible identifiers on cops like numbers, etc. Profiling is legal and used extensively.

Profiling is seen as bad, but I honestly don't think many grandmas will be the ones committing violent crime (or females in general). If you have some statistics to prove otherwise please show me them.

Someone once explained it to me like this:

Let's say 1% of the population commits crimes.

Let's also, for the sake of argument, say all crimes are committed by black people.

Of the general population, 10% is black.

If you profile all black people, you will indeed profile the 1% of the population that commits crimes, but you will also profile 9% of the population that does not commit crimes.

And before you say "not the entirety of the 10% black population is profiled": maybe ask some black people about this. It's not 100% of the black population that gets profiled but certainly a very significant percentage.

And even if it's just half or even a quarter of the black population that you're profiling, you're still profiling a lot of innocent people.

This is the reason why profiling is bad.

(and note that in reality the figures are even worse).

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Post by ipython »

danielfoster wrote: post #4

It's great to see younger people get much-needed information on how to keep the police accountable in a democratic society. I'm impressed with this article's level of detail. I was most impressed that the article emphasizes sticking to the facts. The goal should always be good citizen journalism, not creating the next WorldstarHipHop sensation.

Overall there have been a lot of great content from teen vogue especially over the past five years, despite the connotations associated with the name.

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Post by germinalphrase »

bsanr2 wrote: post #145
germinalphrase wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m a local. Here’s some additional context: “Follow up on video of people getting rubber bullets shot at them in their doorway from a source that was there. This was personally texted to me. Source is a teacher that works at my elementary school. Here’s what was posted. ‘That is my blue house across the street. Apparently this video has gone viral. What they didn’t show was the 20- 30 minutes of the rioters that sur…

This doesn't pass the sniff test. If they were rioters, they would likely not be rioting on their own porch. Hence, ordering them to go inside would mean breaking into someone else's house. On the other hand, if they're legitimately on their own proerty, and if they're not being disorderly, then what is the rationale for that use of force? I hate to say it, but I'm doubting the veracity of this account. There's nothi…

I’m not disagreeing with anyone about the inappropriateness of the police actions, but the account is not claiming that those shot in the video are rioters. Simply that the police we see were actively clearing rioters from the neighborhood and the porch people were caught up in it.
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