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CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by Operyl »

aastronaut wrote: post #104
miguelmota wrote: post #89

The CoreJS author blocked me and many other people on github for simply making a suggestion to tone down the "looking for a good job" npm install logs because it'll invoke other people to try the same thing which would result in unnecessary log pollution. It seemed like strange behavior for someone maintaining a very popular community driven project.

IMHO there is no reason to bring an unrelated GitHub issue discussion into this comment thread.

It seems partially related, if you read the linked threads. It goes on to link to various other issues detailing what is going on with the author, including the ultimate reason he added the job message (he had a ton of lawyer fees he needed to recuperate.) He ran out of money, it would appear, to continue paying and ultimately had to take his sentence if I got the general gist.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by Operyl »

vbezhenar wrote: post #139
syshum wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone should have a dashcam.. I have had installed them in all of my cars fro the better part of a decade now. I am in the US

Does every country allows filming everything outside? I could imagine that some laws won't allow that or won't allow such a recording to be used as an evidence in court.

At least in the US, I believe it varies state by state with certain restrictions pertaining to audio specifically, iirc.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by petre »

HatchedLake721 wrote: post #123
petre wrote: post #54

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Unfortunately, pepole go to prison in Russia for lesser things. I've met a guy who has spent 8 months shared between a jail, a Russian prison and a penal colony (the worst of the three) because he was dumb enough to say he had a bomb in his souvenir bag when an aiport guard kicked it and asked what the (obvious) item was. He wrote a book about the aforementioned experience. So be extra careful what you say or do if y…

That happened around 2006? It’s 2 years after Beslan school siege, when terrorists took hostage 1100 children and 334 died. It’s a stupid thing to say, especially when country is still mourning and on high terrorist alert. Try making a joke at a US airport in 2003 that you have a bomb. I’m pretty sure you’d have weapons drawn on you in a second and ending up worse than spending 8 months in a jail.

Yes, it is very stupid. At least read the book's description, it's a bit more complicated than that, a bit surreal. Maybe he just snapped under stress.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by wayneftw »

SaxonRobber wrote: post #150
Chris2048 wrote: post #143

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It's not "the size of your logs", it's adverts, specifically. Misrepresenting the argument, and name-calling, also don't help. There is also the fact that not including ads would require less labour than including them, even if removing them requires further labour. being "entitled" to correct behaviour isn't unreasonable. IS it OK for me to spam you, because I don't owe you shit either. morality is a society/communi…

What planet do you live on? The one I am from is filled with tech companies making money selling ads and user data without scruple. But god forbid someone providing their labor gratis would DARE ask for a piece of it. Why should an individual contributor not be allowed to partake in that, when the people who are using his work are making money off it? A social convention, who put you in charge of that? There are plen…

Program logs are not the place for ads. If everybody did it, your logs would be unusable. The fact that this author didn't care about that reeks of entitlement.

Despite the fact that big tech makes money selling ads - none of those companies exhibited such trashy behavior.

Asking for a piece is not the problem. If I asked you if I could marry your daughter - no problem asking that right? But if I asked you while I was banging her right in front of you that would be a bit trashy. See the difference?

Personally, I've used this piece of software - but if it didn't exist, there are many, many other options for me and I wouldn't lose one wink of sleep over it.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by sdegutis »

lstodd wrote: post #148
dredmorbius wrote: post #87

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In 2020 hindsight, operating a motor vehicle in conditions and a manner resulting in the death of a human being represents at the least negligence. Circumstances as described possibly mitigating some aspects of this, but driving (or motorcycle riding) is an inherently and widely known dangerous activity. Situational awareness is a requisite practice.

So I choose to jump off of an overpass and happen to land straight in your vehicle's path and now you're somehow negligent?

At night time, coming over a hill, coming up to a crosswalk, being met with oncoming headlights, it’s reasonable to expect a little more caution than just driving the speed limit as if it’s broad daylight on a flat road. The report seems to indicate that one person was on the ground and the other was helping them up. This doesn’t sound as completely unavoidable as your example.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by sdegutis »

yodon wrote: post #70
sdegutis wrote: post #42

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I said the judgment is reasonable but reserve my judgment on the sentence. I’m saying people should drive safer. That’s all. A good portion of my reasoning comes from my daily dealings with my kids. This case bears many strong resemblances to arguments they come to me with. Edit to clarify: when my kids come to me with an argument because one was careless and hurt another, the defense is usually that they were acting…

If this judging happens as much as you imply here and in your other comments in this thread, you should probably look at the parenting dynamic you have created and look for ways to change it. It sounds like are encouraging your kids into a dysfunctional competition for your approval and by extension love. You should be teaching them to work out their own differences, not teaching them to appeal everything to you. The…

We try to teach them to resolve problems on their own. But when one of them is negligent to the point of hurting another, then we have to administer justice. Usually writing a sentence a few dozen times to instill the idea for a need of being more careful. Sometimes a grounding, if our judgment is met with a stubborn defense claiming pure innocence despite the evidence, and belligerent accusations of us being unjust judges (ie. “contempt of court”).

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by battery_cowboy »

foepys wrote: post #47
battery_cowboy wrote: post #12

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I'd rather hear Microsoft's suggestions on libraries to use than some random Joe Developer. They have/had unethical business practices, but their tech is really good and they have very smart people working for them.

A lot of people are making fun of Microsoft but most of them don't know or appreciate that you can run software compiled in the 90s on the most recent Windows 10 1909 without problems. Microsoft's backwards compatibility is off the charts. Try that with macOS.

I can run Ubuntu now without worrying about hardware compatibility and I can play video games, all from Windows. I'm a fan.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by robbrown451 »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #144
robbrown451 wrote: post #96

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When you are sending someone to jail, you want to make sure of their degree of fault, don't you? The person lying on the ground wasn't killed. The woman trying to drag him out of the road was. She was presumably innocent. (although she may have played a role as well, I understand she was intoxicated too, but in the moment she was trying to help her friend to safety) Regardless, who suffered is a completely separate i…

I don’t get your argument. Two courts already decided who is guilty, there’s no process to distort unless you consider this thread a retrial. What happens here is that despite court decisions people still try to prove something and shift responsibility to victims of the incident. This is victim blaming by definition and it is pointless, because justice already decided on this case.

"This is victim blaming by definition and it is pointless, because justice already decided on this case."

Well, you're mixing issues. Those are two completely separate arguments. 1) victim blaming, and 2) it's already been tried

On point 2. I don't necessarily agree that once a court has tried something, it is automatically correct and shouldn't be discussed. I'm not a lawyer, but I spent a full week in trial in San Francisco, against corrupt lawyers, representing myself, and was one of the very few that prevailed in such a situation. I have seen some awful stuff, so no, I don't trust the legal system to always produce correct results, even here.

Regardless, that wasn't my point.

For people such as yourself being so quick to cry "victim blaming" is a very good indication to me that bias in such situations is common. Again, why should you assume that because one person was harmed that the other person was responsible? Surely you recognize that there can be a clearcut cases where the victim (i.e. the one harmed or killed) was the one who caused the accident? Right?

And again, the real "victim" (the woman killed) isn't the one I am suggesting might be partially to blame.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by ivan_gammel »

robbrown451 wrote: post #158
ivan_gammel wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t get your argument. Two courts already decided who is guilty, there’s no process to distort unless you consider this thread a retrial. What happens here is that despite court decisions people still try to prove something and shift responsibility to victims of the incident. This is victim blaming by definition and it is pointless, because justice already decided on this case.

"This is victim blaming by definition and it is pointless, because justice already decided on this case." Well, you're mixing issues. Those are two completely separate arguments. 1) victim blaming, and 2) it's already been tried On point 2. I don't necessarily agree that once a court has tried something, it is automatically correct and shouldn't be discussed. I'm not a lawyer, but I spent a full week in trial in San…

Just because I used some common figure of speech, it doesn’t mean I have bias and I „cried“ it, as you wrote. At least I base my comments on facts and do not try to stretch the experience of legal process in the Default Country to the other side of the planet where legal system is different. Now, to your question.

I assume that if court decided twice that someone is guilty, this person admitted that and there’s no reason to see corruption in this case, then that person is indeed responsible. Anything else is speculation not based on facts and is an attempt to shift responsibility to a victim, seemingly because the convicted guy belongs to a certain group. So, if you want to talk about bias, look at the mirror first.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by miguelmota »

Strom wrote: post #108
miguelmota wrote: post #89

The CoreJS author blocked me and many other people on github for simply making a suggestion to tone down the "looking for a good job" npm install logs because it'll invoke other people to try the same thing which would result in unnecessary log pollution. It seemed like strange behavior for someone maintaining a very popular community driven project.

> community driven project Check out the contributors page for this project. [1] This is not a community driven project. It's a one man show. -- [1] https://github.com/zloirock/core-js/graphs/contributors

What I meant is that he implements features based on community feedback and responses. The community was largely opposed to NPM install log ads but he became pretty passive-aggressive towards people with opposing opinions.
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