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Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by Frost1x » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 1:31 PM UTC

enitihas wrote: post #116

The entitlement in that thread is mind blowing. A lot of people who are complaining about there being only a single maintainer, seem to have no open source contribution history on github. If the project is important to so many people, they sure didn't show it by donating to the maintainer. Saying XYZ project is important to me, and there should be some js foundation taking care of it, (implicitly also saying I have z…

This really reminds me of most my interactions with the JS community. I'm sure not everyone is that way.

Whenever my projects use FOSS I always remind them exactly what a 'dependency' is. You should know and understand your dependencies and risks associated with relying on them.

You need to be willing to lock-in to a version if need be or replace it entirely. Some developers I work with that throw together one-off web applications tend to inject dozens (sometimes hundreds) of dependencies (which they like to dynamically pull from latest builds) into their projects, enough to make me dizzy looking through the list.

Typically development starts, they meet some initial goal and keep gluing more and more packages together to meet some goal/desired functionality. Then something breaks and they conveniently have other internal work that has to take priority, leaving a broken application they don't want to deal with for someone else to fix because they know it's an absolute mess they created. Rinse repeat.

Now you've established an expectation of functionality you have no clue how to maintain and did not clearly explain that to your client when you took shortcuts to glue everything together.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by Chris2048 » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 1:53 PM UTC

SaxonRobber wrote: post #66

Jesus npm is a cancerous dumpster fire. Guy must have been a saint to continue maintaining the project in spite of all of entitled "developers" using his package and scolding him for DARING TO ASK FOR A DIME.

It's funny you say "entitled".

Show me where anyone said they where entitled to his labour. It was him who felt entitled to advertise.

He can ask for all the dimes he wants, He just can't add such adverts to the codebase.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by tashoecraft » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 2:02 PM UTC

jessaustin wrote: post #15

jakear wrote: post #2

What a wild ride this has been. Looking at the police report, I do wonder what the punishment would be in other countries. It seems the victims were laying drunk on the ground in dark clothing at top a hill (edit: hill not mentioned in police report, but seems logical given the headlight statement), causing the headlight beams to not illuminate them. On top of that, incoming traffic blinded the driver. This is of cou…

One could go to prison for this in USA, but only if the local police and prosecutors already hated one's guts for other reasons. In most cases a drunk pedestrian would be considered less sympathetic than a sober driver. Yes it is a pretty shabby "justice" when sympathies rather than facts determine verdicts.

Someone I know was driving down a country road and struck a person in the middle of the road and killed them. The person wasn't drunk as far as I know, but their car broke down and they were trying to walk to somewhere. Why they chose to walk in the middle of the road at night no one knows, but due to the desolate region and the unexpectedness of it, they were not seen. There was no jail time and charges filled. It was understood that the pedestrian shouldn't have done that. It really messed the driver up, they're a very nice person and having caused the death of someone really hurt them, even though there really wasn't anything they could have done.

Obviously every instance is circumstantial, and I didn't really read anything about the case, but if drunk people were lying down in the road, at night, in dark clothing, I don't see a crime.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by Aeolun » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 2:16 PM UTC

caf wrote: post #40

jnbiche wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but this wasn't a library parking lot. This was a roadway, at night, and he appears to have been going the speed limit. And the victim was lying down on the roadway in dark clothes. And there was an oncoming car with high beams on according to the court findings. So you think that he should spend 1.5 years in a Russian prison for that? A sentence that may very well ruin him psychologically for the rest of his li…

It is worth remembering that the speed limit is not an "it is always safe to drive this speed here" advisory. In particular if your vision is obstructed (perhaps by very heavy rain, fog, or an oncoming car with high beams) then you may need to slow down considerably.

If there's an oncoming car with high beams on a straight empty road I'm more inclined to speed up so I pass them by faster.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by bluntfang » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 2:22 PM UTC

overeater wrote: post #75

_pd19 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish we were as sympathetic to drug dealers and theft as many on HN want us to be towards a programmer who ran someone over in their motorcycle.

Why? Those people chose to do something bad. The programmer was not doing anything intentionally wrong.

why are you equating laws with morality? Just because there's a law does not de facto might is right or wrong.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by iakov » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 2:24 PM UTC

Chris2048 wrote: post #132

SaxonRobber wrote: post #66

Jesus npm is a cancerous dumpster fire. Guy must have been a saint to continue maintaining the project in spite of all of entitled "developers" using his package and scolding him for DARING TO ASK FOR A DIME.

It's funny you say "entitled". Show me where anyone said they where entitled to his labour. It was him who felt entitled to advertise. He can ask for all the dimes he wants, He just can't add such adverts to the codebase.

>He just can't add such adverts to the codebase.

I'm curios why do you think that. If the codebase is a fruit of his efforts, why shouldn't he do as he wants with it?

I would understand that in cases where a maintainer adds malicious code - but that's not the case here. Author asks for donations, the only negative effect of it is NPM logs getting longer. I think he's well within his moral rights here.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by Chris2048 » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 2:39 PM UTC

iakov wrote: post #136

Chris2048 wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny you say "entitled". Show me where anyone said they where entitled to his labour. It was him who felt entitled to advertise. He can ask for all the dimes he wants, He just can't add such adverts to the codebase.

>He just can't add such adverts to the codebase. I'm curios why do you think that. If the codebase is a fruit of his efforts, why shouldn't he do as he wants with it? I would understand that in cases where a maintainer adds malicious code - but that's not the case here. Author asks for donations, the only negative effect of it is NPM logs getting longer. I think he's well within his moral rights here.

Why can't he add malicious code then? It's his code, right?

Who decides who can, and cannot advertise? There are many ways to solicit donations - the problem here is he chose to go against convention and put those ads in a common space. Does every other contributor of JS packages not have this right to advertise?

Perhaps NPM requires specific rules against advertisement, but the moral aspect wrt is "this is why we can't have nice things", or in this case, why we need explicit rules.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by shaneprrlt » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 2:43 PM UTC

agildehaus wrote: post #16

Couldn't someone he trusts just ask him for credentials? It may be harder to contact him right now, but not impossible.

Considering he's sitting in prison, I'm sure he has much more pertinent things to be worrying about.

Add to that the fact that when he reached out to the community he worked hard (for free) to support, and they told him to basically FO, I doubt he's going to spend even a microsecond trying to be helpful in this situation.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by vbezhenar » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 2:43 PM UTC

syshum wrote: post #111

baybal2 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the very reason Russians buy dashcams by tonnes. Sold few thousands of them to Russian retailers at around 2008-2009, when I worked in a trade company in Singapore. Previously they were used by Taiwanese taxis to record what's going on inside the car. Russian's immediately found an inventive use for it, and instead made them to videolog what's going on in front of the car.

Everyone should have a dashcam.. I have had installed them in all of my cars fro the better part of a decade now. I am in the US

Does every country allows filming everything outside? I could imagine that some laws won't allow that or won't allow such a recording to be used as an evidence in court.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by vbezhenar » Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 2:46 PM UTC

giancarlostoro wrote: post #26

jakear wrote: post #2

What a wild ride this has been. Looking at the police report, I do wonder what the punishment would be in other countries. It seems the victims were laying drunk on the ground in dark clothing at top a hill (edit: hill not mentioned in police report, but seems logical given the headlight statement), causing the headlight beams to not illuminate them. On top of that, incoming traffic blinded the driver. This is of cou…

Honestly I could see that happening to me. Some cars have lights that make it hard to see clearly on my side of the road. I wish car windshields could shield your eyes from lights too bright or something. Especially now that cars have these bright LED lights depending on the angle they are as bad as high beams when they pierce your eyes. I kinda hate driving at night. People can barely keep from getting into accident…

There are glasses for night driving (yellow ones) which will reduce bright light and increase contrast in low light situations. You might want to check them out.