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Re: Ask HN: How did you fix your narcissism?

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What you've described is normal human behavior that some of us are able to outgrow thru practice. While therapy can be helpful to many it seems to miss the mark here.

The books of Dale Carnegie are fun to read, can help develop better habits, and are widely available.

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I wonder if improv classes might help? I've been taking improv recently and I've found it to be extremely interesting from the POV of learning to pay more attention to other people. The core to learning improv is learning how NOT to be the center of attention. Everything is about supporting your team-mates: you have to pay extremely close attention to what they are doing and look for ways to give them further opportu…

This is fascinating, thanks for sharing. Which book is the thing about remembering names from?

Re: Ask HN: How did you fix your narcissism?

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Seeing a therapist might be infinitely better than reading a book, and not just for narcissism. We're all broken in our own wonderful and unique ways. I've been seeing a therapist for 5 years now, and the positive impact this has had in my life and on my general self-awareness can't be overstated. As engineers and tech people we have one tool that has proven incredible useful in our careers: our brilliant rational mi…

People say this a lot, but it never seems very actionable. How do you do find someone good that you trust? How do you find someone worth the time? The couple of times I've tried to find someone you end up making a lot of unreturned phone calls. Maybe I have an unfairly negative impression of therapists - I both think that it's incredibly valuable to introspect and have someone smart and thoughtful to work things out…

So true! I do a dbt skills group and as a RULE i am the only make, ever. Men just don't do therapy well.

Re: Ask HN: How did you fix your narcissism?

#155
I went down this rabbit hole a long time ago and saw a therapist about it. I would suggest you do the same.

That said, they basically told me that if you're worried about being a narcissist or trying to change it then you probably aren't a candidate for NPD diagnosis. Simply put people with NPD don't even consider that they might be wrong or flawed.

That doesn't mean you don't have something to fix, but it's worth seeing a professional.

Re: Ask HN: How did you fix your narcissism?

#156

Perhaps the closest opposite to narcissism is humility. One way to really experience humility is to inject yourself into something truly foreign where money is an insufficient remedy. I don't know what that humbling experience will be for you. For me it was living in Afghanistan for 2 years, of which one of those years I traveled frequently and spoke with many people there. It doesn't matter how much money you make a…

Woahhh you lived in Afghanistan? That’s really cool! Is there anywhere I can read about your experience there / contact to talk more?

Re: Ask HN: How did you fix your narcissism?

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post #68

There's a few psychotherapy podcasts with episodes on narcissism. It's rare for malignant narcissists themselves to seek out therapy to help themselves so most resources are organized with how to deal with the narcissists in your life. But you should read them because if you can empathize with the other side and reflect on yourself, that would bring down your narcissistic tendencies. In general you should practice em…

Can you name any of those psychotherapy podcasts? Would love to know.

Therapist uncensored is good. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/therapist-uncensored-p...

Re: Ask HN: How did you fix your narcissism?

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post #120

I wonder if improv classes might help? I've been taking improv recently and I've found it to be extremely interesting from the POV of learning to pay more attention to other people. The core to learning improv is learning how NOT to be the center of attention. Everything is about supporting your team-mates: you have to pay extremely close attention to what they are doing and look for ways to give them further opportu…

Funnily enough, back when I was doing improv at school/university, I've found a great portion of the people there to be among the most self-absorbed people I've ever met. A lot of them were genuinely funny people, but there was a lot of ego, tribalism, people wanting to be stars, etc etc. It was actually one of the reasons why I got scared out of continuing in a local league after graduation, even if I'd done it for four years and thoroughly enjoyed it.

Re: Ask HN: How did you fix your narcissism?

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Seeing a therapist might be infinitely better than reading a book, and not just for narcissism. We're all broken in our own wonderful and unique ways. I've been seeing a therapist for 5 years now, and the positive impact this has had in my life and on my general self-awareness can't be overstated. As engineers and tech people we have one tool that has proven incredible useful in our careers: our brilliant rational mi…

Honest question, really trying hard not to word it in a standoffish way: what do you get out of a therapist that can't be obtained from thought or general conversation outside of therapy? I don't think a "brilliant rational mind" is a prerequisite for coming to the conclusion that you're spending money to lock someone in conversation with you - someone that would not associate with you otherwise. To me, the relations…

One example: we have our unconscious and sometimes we hide things from ourselves and strongly resist any attempt from ourselves or other people to expose that stuff.

Psychologists are experts in defusing such resistance and helping us work with that unconscious content, content that most people probably aren't very skilled in helping with.

Re: Ask HN: How did you fix your narcissism?

#160
Memento mori + try to like other people and view the world with their eyes, try to have shared experiences together where you move yourself consciously out of the center, experience they give you something you can't acquire on your own.
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