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Cryptoqueen: A woman scammed the world, then vanished

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Re: Cryptoqueen: A woman scammed the world, then vanished

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My bet is she was a front for some Eastern EU or EEU mafia group and now rests in a concrete-filled barrel at the bottom of Black Sea, with all the money taking multiple round trips through off-shore banks, never to be found by their MLM "investors" again.

I suspect she was in cahoots with her Father and has probably spent a small fortune on plastic surgery making herself completely unrecognisable and changed identities. Would be no problem for someone with a cool $2.5bn laying around

Re: Cryptoqueen: A woman scammed the world, then vanished

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clicking around a bit, I ended up reading https://arxiv.org/abs/1903.08570 . It's describing an apparently faster way to identify prime numbers. Looks pretty legit to me, but still, reading the website, there's something... not quite off , but still... quirky, in a way I can't put my finger on. :/ TL;DR, what do others think of this paper?

https://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/74614/what-is-the...

Oooh, nice. Thanks very much :)

Followed that to attendee recordings of the talk, and was not disappointed.

Re: Cryptoqueen: A woman scammed the world, then vanished

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a week ago I passed in front the One Coin shop in Sofia. It was open. I was surprised as It had been closed for a long time. I had listened to the BBC podcast and was curious so I tried to enter. It was locked and a lady came to open. There were a couple of people, maybe customers. There were books, CDs and other material. I stayed two minutes and head to the exit. The door was locked and the lady came to open. That'…

Journalist Nikolai Stroyanov from Sofia's Kapitol (newspaper) took the following photos a few days ago, on Nov. 21, indicating what seemed to be a clearing out of the Onecoin offices: https://twitter.com/Svrakata/status/1197494888457293824

Maybe a renovation for a new grand opening? Although improbable nothing surprises me anymore in this story.

Re: Cryptoqueen: A woman scammed the world, then vanished

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> This just seems like speculation based on watching mafia movies. People get killed for far less. > The article speculates she's alive. And I'm speculating she isn't. > The Ignatov family seems involved in various frauds, so I wouldn't view her as an innocent woman who got in too deep. She knew what she as doing and has family connections. I never said she did not know what she was doing. > Also I am not sure what "…

> People get killed for far less. Sincerely though, if not pop culture, what is this prediction based on? What base rate information do you have about criminals who are extrajudicially executed? What information about who in the criminal underworld knows how much are you conditioning on in order to get a distribution that integrates out to >0.5 here, as opposed to >0.9, or Just based on what’s publicly accessible, it…

People get killed for far less if all involved are very poor. As you go up the socio-economic ladder the price becomes higher, so it makes sense that different people have wildly differing experiences.

Re: Cryptoqueen: A woman scammed the world, then vanished

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=638_Jpp2Rq8 :D ... cringe-inducing to the point it could gag a maggot ...

If you are ready for some more cringe, take a look how the ghu-neh-ses block for blockchain v2 was "mined" live, instantly doubling the coin balance for several million members and raising the circulating supply of OneCoin from 2 billion to 120 billions, because that's how cryptos run in the Ponzi land: https://youtu.be/1x7gur0JgkY?t=378

Somehow there seems to be a fundamental difference in cognition between me and these people getting scammed like that. I cannot even begin to imagine the mindset, filter bubble, delusions one must suffer to not see right through a scam like that from the first second...

I guess greed makes some people really stupid?

Re: Cryptoqueen: A woman scammed the world, then vanished

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Just out of curiosity: say you've recently stolen more than $1B from various people, some of whom might have a somewhat shady background - how would you disappear in this time where everything is electronically tracked, you have instagram, facebook, forums etc.?

Re: Cryptoqueen: A woman scammed the world, then vanished

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I can remember OneCoin back in the day. And I also remember that when visiting their website, my first though was "this must be a gigantic scam!" It was kinda obvious. Unbelievable that people fell for this. But like with all pyramid schemes or similar scams, they target a very specific sort of people.

What kind of people? Just gullible or something more specific?

Well, I would not state that "those people" are immoral or stupid. Even academics or highly moral people fell for these scams. The big problem is that "those people" are blind to the signs of the scam, which seem obvious to people who know the matter - in this case the blockchain and the crypto-world. In case of OneCoin, people were told they could earn some money by simply buying some fancy, technical crypto-thinghy. It's just the human nature to react positively to possible contracts or actions which likely return something positive for them.

This is the same issue for all other "scams", i. e. like some insurance-salespersons, which obviously sell overpriced or needless contracts, just to earn more money with their victims. Or car mechanics who tell the car owner the suspension arm needs to be replaced even if it's in perfect condition. It's always the same: some greedy, immoral people exploiting the inexperience or missing knowledge or other people.

Re: Cryptoqueen: A woman scammed the world, then vanished

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stupid + immoral. You need both to get scammed.

Not being stupid is no defense against being conned. On the contrary, a truly stupid mark isn't going to understand the scheme; an intelligent person will immediately see the way they stand to benefit. It's the willingness to cheat that gets you in trouble. Check out The Big Con by David Maurer

The truly intelligent person will see the way the other person stands to benefit. That's how you avoid getting scammed. Unless you truly believe some stranger is offering you this great opportunity out of the goodness of their heart (in which case you have a thing or two to learn about people in general).

And if I can't understand how the other person benefits? I'm immediately suspicious.

Re: Cryptoqueen: A woman scammed the world, then vanished

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Just out of curiosity: say you've recently stolen more than $1B from various people, some of whom might have a somewhat shady background - how would you disappear in this time where everything is electronically tracked, you have instagram, facebook, forums etc.?

Disguise my appearance. Assume a cover identity. Start a new life.

If social media use is required, create new accounts.

Re: Cryptoqueen: A woman scammed the world, then vanished

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Anyone else feel buying drugs online is a relatively more legitimate use than most of what crypto is promoted for?

There's other uses than buying drugs online?

You can also buy all the tools and materials for fraud !!
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